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suresh_sharma ...
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 5:29 pm Post subject: Top and bottom reinforcement in isolated footing |
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To all Sefians
From the design consideration bottom reinforcement is worked out by
the designer for RCC isolated footing. I have observed from the design of
some designers and I too am practising to provide some reinforcement
in the top layer of the isolated footing say 0.12% of the section
distribted both ways. In almost all the design books the top layer of
the footing is shown as inclined. But I do not favour this approach as
it becomes difficult to vibrate the concrete in inclined state.
Further the RMC having higher slump will flow away in course of
vibration from the inclined surface.My senior is asking me to convince
him about the top layer of reinforcement. My feeling is that it is
very difficult to predict the exact behavior of footing, hence it is
advisable to provide minimum reinforcement in the top layer too so
that entire footing behaves as one unit of concrete. I seek your help
in this regard to enable me to convince my senior with adequate
justification.
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thirumalaichettiar Silver Sponsor
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Er.Sureshpsharma,
Usually the Top reinforcement is provided against :
1. Seismic forces but the usual reinforcement is .12%. This is in the event of any vertical forces arising fro EQ. Also some engineers provide steel rein. as nominal one.
2. In retrofitting of footing also the top reinforcement will be of great help.
3. Some software like SCADDS gives detail with reinforcement for pedestal.
4. Also the footing- underground buried members once buried can not be easily inspected to check their durability and deterioration. As a precaution providing some extra steel will be of beneficial only. you can arrange the reinforcements in such a way to have access for the vibrators or use very small dia needle.
Using a sloped footing is having the following practical and technical problems:
1. casting of concrete has to be carried out with very stiff0 low slump concrete.
2. Vibration is not possible only hand tampering is possible which will result loose and honey combed concrete.
3. Curing is to be done not by ponding but with hessian.
Due to poor compaction the strength designed may be achieved. Hence better to design footing as stepped one which may consume little more concrete. Refer Concrete handbook by Mark Fintel and Design of concrete structure by Dr.Ramachandran ( the title may be different).
Hope that above may be of some help.
T.RangaRajan.
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vikram.jeet General Sponsor
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:22 am Post subject: Top and bottom reinforcement in isolated footing |
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This topic has been discussed earlier also.
Top reinf in column footings of buildings (RCC construction) is not needed unless
there is possibility of tension at top. It may be a wasteful expenditure. SP-34 sketch
on footings for RCC column ,also indicate only bottom mesh.
Top mesh ,in addition to bottom mesh may be definitely needed in following
cases:
Light weight steel sheds on RCC pedestal and footings. Wind uplift
will be countered through footing &soil weight over footing necessitating
top reinf.
Independent RCC columns(not having connection to building behind)
supporting Cantilevers like entrance porticos , bus shelters etc derive their
stability from footing and soil weight over it. The rcc footings must have
top mesh reinf designed for top tension from bending.
And all other cases requiring reinf at top from BM considerations
EQ effect:The effect of EQ Moment on footing is generally reduced due to
provision of plinth beams/and (or) beams provided at footing level itself
and designed for EQ moments.
Plinth beams are generally provided in almost all cases of structures in
severe EQ zones
However ,in absence of plinth beams, the effect of EQ moments on footing
need to be seen for deciding whether top reinf.is needed or not.
best regds
vikramjeet
To all Sefians
From the design consideration bottom reinforcement is worked out by
the designer for RCC isolated footing. I have observed from the design of
some designers and I too am practising to provide some reinforcement
in the top layer of the isolated footing say 0.12% of the section
distribted both ways. In almost all the design books the top layer of
the footing is shown as inclined. But I do not favour this approach as
it becomes difficult to vibrate the concrete in inclined state.
Further the RMC having higher slump will flow away in course of
vibration from the inclined surface.My senior is asking me to convince
him about the top layer of reinforcement. My feeling is that it is
very difficult to predict the exact behavior of footing, hence it is
advisable to provide minimum reinforcement in the top layer too so
that entire footing behaves as one unit of concrete. I seek your help
in this regard to enable me to convince my senior with adequate
justification.
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gpsarathyy ...
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Dear Sefian,
It is better to provide the min. top rebar. If your site is in high seismic zone, where the stresses can be reversed due to the seismic/wind effect.
Otherwise it shall be provided only where the tension occurs as stated by Vikram Jeet.
Regards,
G.PARTHASARATHY
CHENNAI
GPSARATHYY@GMAIL.COM
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padamkr SEFI Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:32 pm Post subject: Top and bottom reinforcement in isolated footing |
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Dear Er vikramjeet,
plz go through the clause 34.5.2 (IS--456:2000) regarding top reinf
in footings,
which states that for concrete footing of thickness more than 1.0 mtr ,
360 sqmm per mtr length in each direction on each face should be provided .
correct me if I am wrong.
Thanks and regards
padam kumar
On 06/04/2011, vikram.jeet <forum@sefindia.org> wrote:
Quote: | This topic has been discussed earlier also.
Top reinf in column footings of buildings (RCC construction) is not needed
unless
there is possibility of tension at top. It may be a wasteful expenditure.
SP-34 sketch
on footings for RCC column ,also indicate only bottom mesh.
Top mesh ,in addition to bottom mesh may be definitely needed in following
cases:
Light weight steel sheds on RCC pedestal and footings. Wind uplift
will be countered through footing &soil weight over footing necessitating
top reinf.
Independent RCC columns(not having connection to building behind)
supporting Cantilevers like entrance porticos , bus shelters etc derive
their
stability from footing and soil weight over it. The rcc footings must have
top mesh reinf designed for top tension from bending.
And all other cases requiring reinf at top from BM considerations
EQ effect:The effect of EQ Moment on footing is generally reduced due to
provision of plinth beams/and (or) beams provided at footing level itself
and designed for EQ moments.
Plinth beams are generally provided in almost all cases of structures in
severe EQ zones
However ,in absence of plinth beams, the effect of EQ moments on footing
need to be seen for deciding whether top reinf.is needed or not.
best regds
vikramjeet
To all Sefians
From the design consideration bottom reinforcement is worked out by
the designer for RCC isolated footing. I have observed from the design of
some designers and I too am practising to provide some reinforcement
in the top layer of the isolated footing say 0.12% of the section
distribted both ways. In almost all the design books the top layer of
the footing is shown as inclined. But I do not favour this approach as
it becomes difficult to vibrate the concrete in inclined state.
Further the RMC having higher slump will flow away in course of
vibration from the inclined surface.My senior is asking me to convince
him about the top layer of reinforcement. My feeling is that it is
very difficult to predict the exact behavior of footing, hence it is
advisable to provide minimum reinforcement in the top layer too so
that entire footing behaves as one unit of concrete. I seek your help
in this regard to enable me to convince my senior with adequate
justification.
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suresh_sharma ...
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:13 am Post subject: |
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Dear Padam Kumar,
I was exactly looking for a reply that you have posted. I had some vague memory that top reinforcement will be guided by the thickness of footing.
Thanks
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thirumalaichettiar Silver Sponsor
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Pl. find attached a sketch showing the top reinforcement provision for a wall footing as per page 433/ structural concrete by Nadeem Hussain.
T.RangaRajan.
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vikram.jeet General Sponsor
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:11 am Post subject: Top and bottom reinforcement in isolated footing |
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Dear Er Padam Kumar ji
You are very right in enligntening about clause 34.5 on Nominal
reinf.
34.5.1 Minimum reinf and spacing shall be as per the requirements of SOLID SLAB
34.5.2 - - in spirit of this clause
For concrete sections of thickness greater than 1.0m
The reinf of 3.6cm2 per m(in each direction) is nominal reinf to be provided on each face
Thus ,this may also include side faces besides top face &bottom face
This is same as the treatment for mass concrete where surface reinf
is recommended on each face of concrete.
Many thanks for timely information and regards
vikramjeet
Dear Er vikramjeet,
plz go through the clause 34.5.2 (IS--456:2000) regarding top reinf
in footings,
which states that for concrete footing of thickness more than 1.0 mtr ,
360 sqmm per mtr length in each direction on each face should be provided .
correct me if I am wrong.
Thanks and regards
padam kumar
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muralidhar.sivaraju Progressive Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:54 am Post subject: Top and bottom reinforcement in isolated footing |
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Dear Sir,
please guide me on the middle reinforcement in the thicker(more than 1m) foundations, any codal references?
regds
muralidhar
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 11:06 AM, vikram.jeet <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:
Quote: | Dear Er Padam Kumar ji
You are very right in enligntening about clause 34.5 on Nominal
reinf.
34.5.1 Minimum reinf and spacing shall be as per the requirements of SOLID SLAB
34.5.2 - - in spirit of this clause
For concrete sections of thickness greater than 1.0m
The reinf of 3.6cm2 per m(in each direction) is nominal reinf to be provided on each face
Thus ,this may also include side faces besides top face &bottom face
This is same as the treatment for mass concrete where surface reinf
is recommended on each face of concrete.
Many thanks for timely information and regards
vikramjeet
Dear Er vikramjeet,
plz go through the clause 34.5.2 (IS--456:2000) regarding top reinf
in footings,
which states that for concrete footing of thickness more than 1.0 mtr ,
360 sqmm per mtr length in each direction on each face should be provided .
correct me if I am wrong.
Thanks and regards
padam kumar
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vikram.jeet General Sponsor
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:54 am Post subject: Top and bottom reinforcement in isolated footing |
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Mass concrete /massive foundations
I think the reinforcement provision is from the consideration of shrinkage and
temperature on the surface and therefore reinforcement is recommended at
surface only. Concrete mass within may not need such reinf.
e.g. Mass concrete abutments for bridges, solid gravity retaining walls
However in case of massive foundations having Anchor bolts for towers/machines
etc, the concrete mass within needs to be reinforced to distribute the localized
tensile force from Bolts to the concrete mass and internal reinf layers may be
provided to avoid local failure of concrete around bolt locations
best wishes and regds
vikramjeet
Dear Sir,
please guide me on the middle reinforcement in the thicker(more than 1m) foundations, any codal references?
regds
muralidhar
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