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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think in the heat of discussion "How to make Engineers Employable?"
it should be remodelled into another question " How to make the 'Employer', make the 'Employee' ,'Employable'??????????????? Here we are mostly talking about the defects of Employee while we are silent about the measures to make a good employer.......lets discuss that in  detail.......Art of structural design comes from the skill acquired by 'knowledge' and 'experience'.....We have discussed about the knowledge part but not the experience part....Please give the space and time for the employee t gain experience.......All great engineers had taken their time to show their greatness....
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:00 pm    Post subject: How to make Engineers Employable? Reply with quote

I am in agreement with Sangeeta Ji.


Rather we in CPWD had taken initiative way back in 2009 of using 3-D Building Information Modelling to perfect and coordinate architectural, structural and civil and E&M services drawings using ArchiCAD software on Parliament House Annexe Extention.


This was followed by in 2012 with Lecture Theatre Complex for IIT Delhi and then PNB Corporate HQ at Dwarika, New Delhi.


Now as on date, CPWD is deploying 3-D modelling in a large number of major projects, wherein GFC drawings in 2-D are extracted directly from 3-D integrated BIM model of structure, architecture, MEP (Mechanical, Electrical and Plumbing) services. Even fabrication drawings could be taken out directly from 3D-BIM Model. 3D-BIM is also utilised with an advantage for generation of BOQ for the projects.


Lately, after my superannuation, besides the above features, I am now intending to adopt the project management in one of the projects of Delhi Public School as well by extending 3D-BIM to construction phase stipulating in the contract for the contractor to adopt 4-D (for Time scheduling/ Time Management) and 5-D (for cost and materials management).


Thus, I would like to further extend the statement of Sangeeta Ji that it would be a seamless integration using computers from conceptualisation to design (architecture, Structure, MEP services, Energy simulation, related drawings) to project execution to creation of completion records and post-construction records for operation and maintenance.


Even it would be a great tool for remote maintenance using CCTV technology.


It would facilitate with ease to incorporate changes/ modifications during execution and extract revised GFC drawings. and then completion covering preparation of As built drawings using 3D, 4D and 5D technology.


Anil K Sharma,
Former Spl. Director General, CPWD
Director, India Chapter - American Concrete Institute
Chairman, Indian Concrete Institute - UP West Ghaziabad Centre
President, Bharatiya Varishtha Nagarik Samiti - NCR Branch
B-99, Sector 30, Noida-201303
E-mail (Pers): aksharmacpwd@yahoo.com

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From: sangeeta.c <forum@sefindia.org>
To: econf@sefindia.org
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 12:10 PM
Subject: {E-CONF2016} Re: How to make Engineers Employable?


           This is true in totality.

Definitely the day will come (already being done at many places) when drawings will be generated through 3-D model itself.

Bar bending schedule prepared by system sent directly to factory where rebars fabricated and sent site.. etc. etc.

In this scenario the practical trainings as mentioned by Tandon sir and being provided by ACCE will make the engineers as employable engineers.

We cannot run away from computers we need to upgrade our self.

Sangeeta


From: prof.maheshtandon [mailto:forum@sefindia.org]
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 11:45 AM
To: econf@sefindia.org (econf@sefindia.org)
Subject: {E-CONF2016} Re: [LIVE NOW] Feb 8- Feb 21: Econference on State of Structural Engineering Practice and Education



We read every now and then that "80% of engineers are unemployable". I think this is an exaggeration even though there may be an element of truth in the statement. Here we will not take up the dilemma of mushrooming of colleges that have little qualified staff but dish out big degrees like BTech and MTech. This is for the AICTE to resolve.

Let us go back a little in time. As in most spheres of human endeavour computers have made a fundamental change to the practice of structural engineering. In the B.C. (Before Computers) era, upto the 1970s, individual steps of the structural engineering designs were executed manually with a slide-rule or calculator which carried the burden of arithmetical operations. However, in the A.D. (After Desk-top Computers) era, computerisation of the whole process has rapidly become a reality. We are now heading towards one “seamless” design drawing activity. Soon it would become possible that once the conception of the structure has been made and converted into a form recognised by the computer (and the computers are very intelligent and understand even fuzzy logic), it can be prompted through simple commands in a single software package to yield the final drawings for execution at site. Fortunately, the human brain will still have some utility by way of structural modelling, and checking the validity of results at intermediate steps (if the software so allows!) and if we get out of our lethargy and not become gullible to reams of outputs which have been churned out by a vastly superior calculating brain but which has not yet reached the status of human being.

How to make Engineers Employable? Give them short term courses to orient them to the world beyond the walls of their institute. They do not require more of what they are already learning in their institution. I was pleasantly surprised to learn about the initiatives being taken by Association of Consulting Civil Engineers in this direction. Apart from preparing supplementing structural engineering lectures on practical aspects of design (eg what is the deflected shape and which side is tension created in a RCC frame subject to horizontal forces ? ) they are teaching how to read a drawing, what should be contained in the Notes on the drawing, how to implant the information of the drawing actually on ground, how to define the methodology and sequence of construction, how to interpret a subsurface investigation report and what does a bore log look like, etc. Structural behaviour rather than FEM is what they need exposure to. Making a hand-made sketch to explain structure or its deflected shape is passe. Agreed that these are simple issues but these are exactly what will make them employable, Make them do well in interviews and structural engineering look interesting if not fascinating.

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Prof. Mahesh Tandon







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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:19 am    Post subject: How to make Engineers Employable? Reply with quote

Suggest if CAD can be introduced in Engineering 1 or 2 year

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 9:12 PM, aksharmacpwd <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:
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           I am in agreement with Sangeeta Ji.


Rather we in CPWD had taken initiative way back in 2009 of using 3-D Building Information Modelling to perfect and coordinate architectural, structural and civil and E&M services drawings using ArchiCAD software on Parliament House Annexe Extention.


This was followed by in 2012 with Lecture Theatre Complex for IIT Delhi and then PNB Corporate HQ at Dwarika, New Delhi.


Now as on date, CPWD is deploying 3-D modelling in a large number of major projects, wherein GFC drawings in 2-D are extracted directly from 3-D integrated BIM model of structure, architecture, MEP (Mechanical, Electrical and Plumbing) services. Even fabrication drawings could be taken out directly from 3D-BIM Model. 3D-BIM is also utilised with an advantage for generation of BOQ for the projects.


Lately, after my superannuation, besides the above features, I am now intending to adopt the project management in one of the projects of Delhi Public School as well by extending 3D-BIM to construction phase stipulating in the contract for the contractor to adopt 4-D (for Time scheduling/ Time Management) and 5-D (for cost and materials management).


Thus, I would like to further extend the statement of Sangeeta Ji that it would be a seamless integration using computers from conceptualisation to design (architecture, Structure, MEP services, Energy simulation, related drawings) to project execution to creation of completion records and post-construction records for operation and maintenance.


Even it would be a great tool for remote maintenance using CCTV technology.


It would facilitate with ease to incorporate changes/ modifications during execution and extract revised GFC drawings. and then completion covering preparation of As built drawings using 3D, 4D and 5D technology.


Anil K Sharma,
Former Spl. Director General, CPWD
Director, India Chapter - American Concrete Institute
Chairman, Indian Concrete Institute - UP West Ghaziabad Centre
President, Bharatiya Varishtha Nagarik Samiti - NCR Branch
B-99, Sector 30, Noida-201303
E-mail (Pers): aksharmacpwd@yahoo.com (aksharmacpwd@yahoo.com)

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From: sangeeta.c
To: econf@sefindia.org (econf@sefindia.org)
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 12:10 PM
Subject: {E-CONF2016} Re: How to make Engineers Employable?


           This is true in totality.

Definitely the day will come (already being done at many places) when drawings will be generated through 3-D model itself.

Bar bending schedule prepared by system sent directly to factory where rebars fabricated and sent site.. etc. etc.

In this scenario the practical trainings as mentioned by Tandon sir and being provided by ACCE will make the engineers as employable engineers.

We cannot run away from computers we need to upgrade our self.

Sangeeta


From: prof.maheshtandon [mailto:forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)]
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 11:45 AM
To: econf@sefindia.org (econf@sefindia.org) (econf@sefindia.org (econf@sefindia.org))
Subject: {E-CONF2016} Re: [LIVE NOW] Feb 8- Feb 21: Econference on State of Structural Engineering Practice and Education



We read every now and then that "80% of engineers are unemployable". I think this is an exaggeration even though there may be an element of truth in the statement. Here we will not take up the dilemma of mushrooming of colleges that have little qualified staff but dish out big degrees like BTech and MTech. This is for the AICTE to resolve.

Let us go back a little in time. As in most spheres of human endeavour computers have made a fundamental change to the practice of structural engineering. In the B.C. (Before Computers) era, upto the 1970s, individual steps of the structural engineering designs were executed manually with a slide-rule or calculator which carried the burden of arithmetical operations. However, in the A.D. (After Desk-top Computers) era, computerisation of the whole process has rapidly become a reality. We are now heading towards one “seamless†design drawing activity. Soon it would become possible that once the conception of the structure has been made and converted into a form recognised by the computer (and the computers are very intelligent and understand even fuzzy logic), it can be prompted through simple commands in a single software package to yield the final drawings for execution at site. Fortunately, the human brain will still have some utility by way of structural modelling, and checking the validity of results at intermediate steps (if the software so allows!) and if we get out of our lethargy and not become gullible to reams of outputs which have been churned out by a vastly superior calculating brain but which has not yet reached the status of human being.

How to make Engineers Employable? Give them short term courses to orient them to the world beyond the walls of their institute. They do not require more of what they are already learning in their institution. I was pleasantly surprised to learn about the initiatives being taken by Association of Consulting Civil Engineers in this direction. Apart from preparing supplementing structural engineering lectures on practical aspects of design (eg what is the deflected shape and which side is tension created in a RCC frame subject to horizontal forces ? ) they are teaching how to read a drawing, what should be contained in the Notes on the drawing, how to implant the information of the drawing actually on ground, how to define the methodology and sequence of construction, how to interpret a subsurface investigation report and what does a bore log look like, etc. Structural behaviour rather than FEM is what they need exposure to. Making a hand-made sketch to explain structure or its deflected shape is passe. Agreed that these are simple issues but these are exactly what will make them employable, Make them do well in interviews and structural engineering look interesting if not fascinating.

Regards,
Prof. Mahesh Tandon







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