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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:57 pm    Post subject: Latent Defect Notification of sanctioned modification by Govt. of Maharashtra, Maharashtra Regional & Town Planning Reply with quote

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On 12 March 2018 at 08:34, gattanianil <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:
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It is nice to see that Govt. is coming with certain parameters regarding structural fraternity.
I feel we should convey our vision :
  1. Architect should not be responsible for the structural defect.
  2. Liability of 10 years should start from the time possession is given to first person and not OC. As many do not take OC and also OC takes much time and possession is given before.
  3. We should modify structural stability certificate. It should mention that any structural changes done after possession cancels our responsibility.
  4. Nowadays proof checking is done. Hence design is rarely with defects. Builder and Contractor should be responsible for the defects as te workmanship is responsible. We should not be held responsible for material defects , concrete defects. In this way Builders and Contractors will be more responsible towards the work.


I hope some more points can be added. I feel you cannot be responsible for defect in steel. Steel manufacture should be responsible. How can you be responsible for RMC concrete. Let every person make themselves responsible then only we will be able to acheive balance in our industry.


Thanks & Regards


anil gattani


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Subject: [SEFI] Latent Defect Notification of sanctioned modification by Govt. of Maharashtra, Maharashtra Regional & Town Planning Act.

Hello All Engineers,

Please read the attached 'latent defect.pdf', this notification is dated 07/03/2018.

I say, these kind of responsibility 'DUTIES' & are approved very promptly
& what about the 'RIGHTS', our right to get apt fees.
Please see attached, 'feedraft_115.pdf'.

Is this fee draft approved by any government???

In our constitution, I am entitled to both, 'RIGHTS' & 'DUTIES'.

Where are we leading ourselves?

Thanks

Ashish Phadke





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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:57 pm    Post subject: Latent Defect Notification of sanctioned modification by Govt. of Maharashtra, Maharashtra Regional & Town Planning Reply with quote

Dear All,

This concept was adopted by Dr. K T S Iyengar of IISc, Bangalore, when I was studying there in 1978-80. We proof checked the HAL Jaguar Project Structures during that time. He would go thro' he design in General and we (two students studying under him - ME(Civil)) will do the detailed checking.


We learnt a lot under his guidance.


Regards,


Ravichandran


On 12 March 2018 at 09:07, mpradyumna <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:
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I was part of a company where we designed and built some specialised steel structures. It was difficult to convince Professors to proof check some of our design due to paucity of time and the complex nature of the structures. Hence, we came up with the concept of “philosophical check†. The professor whom we approached would check our work in a sitting of maybe 2 to 3 hours, where we would present our design and he would ask us questions and voice his apprehensions. After we satisfy him completely he would provide a certificate for the same. We would be completely responsible for the actual load application, analysis, shop drawings etc. The Professor would not be liable for any errors as he is only doing a philosophical check.

This worked out quite economical for everyone and satisfied the client also that our work has been checked by an eminent professor.

We should include this type of checking into our scheme of things. In any case a very senior Professor or Engg personality would not actually pore over all the calculations, and his insights would be more valuable than his time checking all the calculations. He would delegate the actual checking to one or more of his trusted deputies, who could be a very junior engineer.

Thanks and regards,

M. Pradyumna
On 12-Mar-2018, at 11:04 AM, gattanianil forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org))> wrote:
Dear Sefians It is nice to see that Govt. is coming with certain parameters regarding structural fraternity. I feel we should convey our vision :
  1. Architect should not be responsible for the structural defect.
  2. Liability of 10 years should start from the time possession is given to first person and not OC. As many do not take OC and also OC takes much time and possession is given before.
  3. We should modify structural stability certificate. It should mention that any structural changes done after possession cancels our responsibility.
  4. Nowadays proof checking is done. Hence design is rarely with defects. Builder and Contractor should be responsible for the defects as te workmanship is responsible. We should not be held responsible for material defects , concrete defects. In this way Builders and Contractors will be more responsible towards the work.
I hope some more points can be added. I feel you cannot be responsible for defect in steel. Steel manufacture should be responsible. How can you be responsible for RMC concrete. Let every person make themselves responsible then only we will be able to acheive balance in our industry. Thanks & Regards anil gattaniFrom: ashishphadke Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 6:54 AMTo: general@sefindia.org (general@sefindia.org) (general@sefindia.org (general@sefindia.org))Subject: [SEFI] Latent Defect Notification of sanctioned modification by Govt. of Maharashtra, Maharashtra Regional & Town Planning Act. Hello All Engineers,Please read the attached 'latent defect.pdf', this notification is dated 07/03/2018. I say, these kind of responsibility 'DUTIES' & are approved very promptly& what about the 'RIGHTS', our right to get apt fees. Please see attached, 'feedraft_115.pdf'.Is this fee draft approved by any government???In our constitution, I am entitled to both, 'RIGHTS' & 'DUTIES'.Where are we leading ourselves?ThanksAshish PhadkeDownload Attachments:My right?My duty & responsibility!--
     



     



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:27 pm    Post subject: Latent Defect Notification of sanctioned modification by Govt. of Maharashtra, Maharashtra Regional & Town Planning Reply with quote

Dear All,
In Canada, We have Schedule A, B and C signed by responsible engineer in different practice areas of the project. ex. Foundation, Structure, mechanical, Electrical……

Also Each schedule for signed and stamp by engineer who has professional liability insurance for the company as well as who registered by professional association. Schedule for design, quality control and final acceptance.

We should need similar system to cover every stage construction and aspect.
Regards,
Snehal Patel P.Eng.

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Dear All,

This concept was adopted by Dr. K T S Iyengar of IISc, Bangalore, when I was studying there in 1978-80. We proof checked the HAL Jaguar Project Structures during that time. He would go thro' he design in General and we (two students studying under him - ME(Civil)) will do the detailed checking.


We learnt a lot under his guidance.


Regards,


Ravichandran


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:35 am    Post subject: Latent Defect Notification of sanctioned modification by Govt. of Maharashtra, Maharashtra Regional & Town Planning Reply with quote

Why should the architect be absolved of responsibility for all structural defects?

After, it's the architect who leads, who appoints and instructs the structural engineer and who many a times pressurizes or coerces him/her to incorporate/accommodate into the design the architect's unreasonable or abnormal demands.


On Mar 12, 2018 11:05, "gattanianil" <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:
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           Dear Sefians


It is nice to see that Govt. is coming with certain parameters regarding structural fraternity.
I feel we should convey our vision :
  1. Architect should not be responsible for the structural defect.
  2. Liability of 10 years should start from the time possession is given to first person and not OC. As many do not take OC and also OC takes much time and possession is given before.
  3. We should modify structural stability certificate. It should mention that any structural changes done after possession cancels our responsibility.
  4. Nowadays proof checking is done. Hence design is rarely with defects. Builder and Contractor should be responsible for the defects as te workmanship is responsible. We should not be held responsible for material defects , concrete defects. In this way Builders and Contractors will be more responsible towards the work.


I hope some more points can be added. I feel you cannot be responsible for defect in steel. Steel manufacture should be responsible. How can you be responsible for RMC concrete. Let every person make themselves responsible then only we will be able to acheive balance in our industry.


Thanks & Regards


anil gattani


From: ashishphadke
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 6:54 AM
To: general@sefindia.org (general@sefindia.org)
Subject: [SEFI] Latent Defect Notification of sanctioned modification by Govt. of Maharashtra, Maharashtra Regional & Town Planning Act.

Hello All Engineers,

Please read the attached 'latent defect.pdf', this notification is dated 07/03/2018.

I say, these kind of responsibility 'DUTIES' & are approved very promptly
& what about the 'RIGHTS', our right to get apt fees.
Please see attached, 'feedraft_115.pdf'.

Is this fee draft approved by any government???

In our constitution, I am entitled to both, 'RIGHTS' & 'DUTIES'.

Where are we leading ourselves?

Thanks

Ashish Phadke





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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:23 am    Post subject: Latent Defect Notification of sanctioned modification by Govt. of Maharashtra, Maharashtra Regional & Town Planning Reply with quote

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On 13 March 2018 at 18:04, Ravichandran_Ramachandran <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:
[quote]            Dear All,

This concept was adopted by Dr. K T S Iyengar of IISc, Bangalore, when I was studying there in 1978-80. We proof checked the HAL Jaguar Project Structures during that time. He would go thro' he design in General and we (two students studying under him - ME(Civil)) will do the detailed checking.


We learnt a lot under his guidance.


Regards,


Ravichandran


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