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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:32 am    Post subject: Second Opinion Reply with quote

SECOND OPINION MATTERS IN DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.

In engineering practice, the second opinion matters a lot, most of the time many young engineers see the second opinion as a sign of weakness, which is not.

I remember during our earlier practice days, whenever we do a design we send it to some of our professional friends to help us look at it in case if there is an error in the design.

Someone else should correct your error than go into the field and make an error that you know will cause havoc.

Instead of some people listening to the advice of elders, they want to be in a position of influence, they want their colleagues to believe they know it all, when you teach practical, they will be antagonizing with the theory that we all know that need an adjustment on fieldwork.

The theory has its place likewise practical.
There are a lot of theories that need a little adjustment to be practically accepted.

All these things are not taught in class, all these things are from experience, it's from try and error, people failed in the past and corrected their failure then resulted in practical experience.

It's very paramount to have a good close engineer or a mentor that will help you go through your work and advice on what to do accordingly.

I teach mostly real construction site practicals in a great way because of the deficiency in that aspect of training.
It's not good to be alone in this regard you need somebody to help you out.

Our work is so delicate and dangerous to joke with.
Check and let someone else help you to re-check to have error-free design output.

Only two eyes may not be enough in design, get 3rd Eye to check for you.

Let design be safe and build right.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PROOF CHECKING ALWAYS HELPS

A Culture of proof checking is needed in all structures whether large or small. All structural designs , hydraulic plumbing designs must be proof checked . Proof checking not only result in error free designs , but also provides value addition .

Many organisations like Tata Consultants and others have expertise in proof checking works . Govt and private organisations having their own design department s do proof checking .

Proof checking is beneficial to both consultant s involved . Whereas prime consultant is corrected / value added , the proof consultant comes across newer design ideas .

Culture of proof checking is in practice since long  for important structures like bridges , Industrial structures , but it needs to prevail in all projects.

If owner do not want to spend to hire a proof consultant , he must take services of some one man expert retired  in the field of concerned structures. BUT HAVE SECOND OPINION FOR BENEFITS ON ALL FRONTS.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:48 am    Post subject: Construction Ability Must be On Designs Reply with quote

Construction Ability Must be On Designs
I agree with proposition that Construct ability must be considered, while finalising designs
Alone, theoretical criteria does not help, for designs are not done manually & lot of risk remains to produce real works
Difficulties that are faced on site must be known to designers, for designs & constructions are complimentary to each other
Designer must consult those, who work in field of execution to make sure that proposed design should be carried out, without causing any practical issue
If construction does not go per good practice requirement, design howsoever excellent it could be, it shall not remain furtile to expected levels
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes , Design must ensure constructibility , without which it is merely a DEAD MAN'S  LIFE.  A design without any consideration to site conditions  , practical aspects is as good as BLIND MAN'S EYE.

Every design office / structural Consultancy having  a nos of designers , do have one or two  senior position engineer with site experience along side exposure to design . The young designers are guided by these experts to produce practical designs  easily implemented at site without extra cost.

But even best design /proof Checking efforts go in vain if execution team fails in its duties by way  of misreading of drgs, misplacement of reinforcement , poor Quality  , lack of curing , etc.
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