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We read every now and then that "80% of engineers are unemployable". I think this is an exaggeration even though there may be an element of truth in the statement. Here we will not take up the dilemma of mushrooming of colleges that have little qualified staff but dish out big degrees like BTech and MTech. This is for the AICTE to resolve.

Let us go back a little in time. As in most spheres of human endeavour computers have made a fundamental change to the practice of structural engineering. In the B.C. (Before Computers) era, upto the 1970s, individual steps of the structural engineering designs were executed manually with a slide-rule or calculator which carried the burden of arithmetical operations.   However, in the A.D. (After Desk-top Computers) era, computerisation of the whole process has rapidly become a reality. We are now heading towards one “seamless” design –drawing activity. Soon it would become possible that once the conception of the structure has been made and converted into a form recognised by the computer (and the computers are very intelligent and understand even fuzzy logic), it can be prompted through simple commands in a single software package to yield the final drawings for execution at site.  Fortunately, the human brain will still have some utility by way of structural modelling, and checking the validity of results at intermediate steps (if the software so allows!) and if we get out of our lethargy and not become gullible to reams of outputs which have been churned out by a vastly superior calculating brain but which has not yet reached the status of human being.

How to make Engineers Employable? Give them short term courses to orient them to the world beyond the walls of their institute. They do not require more of what they are already learning in their institution. I was pleasantly surprised to learn about the initiatives being taken by Association of Consulting Civil Engineers in this direction. Apart from preparing supplementing structural engineering lectures on practical aspects of design (eg what is the deflected shape and which side is tension created in a RCC frame subject to horizontal forces ? ) they are teaching how to read a drawing, what should be contained in the Notes on the drawing, how to implant the information of the drawing actually on ground, how to define the methodology and sequence of construction, how to interpret a subsurface investigation report and what does a bore log look like, etc. Structural behaviour rather than FEM is what they need exposure to. Making a hand-made sketch to explain structure or its deflected shape is passe. Agreed that these are simple issues but these are exactly what will make them employable, Make them do well in interviews and structural engineering look interesting if not fascinating.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:38 am    Post subject: [LIVE NOW] Feb 8- Feb 21: Econference on State of Structural Engineering Practice and Education Reply with quote

This is true in totality.

Definitely the day will come (already being done at many places) when drawings will be generated through 3-D model itself.

Bar bending schedule prepared by system sent directly to factory where rebars fabricated and sent site.. etc. etc.

In this scenario the practical trainings as mentioned by Tandon sir and being provided by ACCE will make the engineers as employable engineers.

We cannot run away from computers we need to upgrade our self.  

Sangeeta


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We read every now and then that "80% of engineers are unemployable". I think this is an exaggeration even though there may be an element of truth in the statement. Here we will not take up the dilemma of mushrooming of colleges that have little qualified staff but dish out big degrees like BTech and MTech. This is for the AICTE to resolve.

Let us go back a little in time. As in most spheres of human endeavour computers have made a fundamental change to the practice of structural engineering. In the B.C. (Before Computers) era, upto the 1970s, individual steps of the structural engineering designs were executed manually with a slide-rule or calculator which carried the burden of arithmetical operations. However, in the A.D. (After Desk-top Computers) era, computerisation of the whole process has rapidly become a reality. We are now heading towards one “seamless” design –drawing activity. Soon it would become possible that once the conception of the structure has been made and converted into a form recognised by the computer (and the computers are very intelligent and understand even fuzzy logic), it can be prompted through simple commands in a single software package to yield the final drawings for execution at site. Fortunately, the human brain will still have some utility by way of structural modelling, and checking the validity of results at intermediate steps (if the software so allows!) and if we get out of our lethargy and not become gullible to reams of outputs which have been churned out by a vastly superior calculating brain but which has not yet reached the status of human being.

How to make Engineers Employable? Give them short term courses to orient them to the world beyond the walls of their institute. They do not require more of what they are already learning in their institution. I was pleasantly surprised to learn about the initiatives being taken by Association of Consulting Civil Engineers in this direction. Apart from preparing supplementing structural engineering lectures on practical aspects of design (eg what is the deflected shape and which side is tension created in a RCC frame subject to horizontal forces ? ) they are teaching how to read a drawing, what should be contained in the Notes on the drawing, how to implant the information of the drawing actually on ground, how to define the methodology and sequence of construction, how to interpret a subsurface investigation report and what does a bore log look like, etc. Structural behaviour rather than FEM is what they need exposure to. Making a hand-made sketch to explain structure or its deflected shape is passe. Agreed that these are simple issues but these are exactly what will make them employable, Make them do well in interviews and structural engineering look interesting if not fascinating.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:49 am    Post subject: [LIVE NOW] Feb 8- Feb 21: Econference on State of Structural Engineering Practice and Education Reply with quote

Dear Prof. Tandon,

It is nice to see your posting in the SEFI forum.  I like your usage of terms BC and AD, and I agree that it has made a lot of difference in our profession from the early days of slide rule and pocket calculator.


On the subject of structural behaviour, it is important for everyone, both seniors and juniors, to know about it for different forms and shapes of structures and support conditions subjected to various types of loads. This understanding will immensely help the designers in reinforcement detailing and in providing steelwork connections, etc.  This aspect would also bring fresh interest to young engineers who otherwise may find structural engineering subject highly theoretical.   Dr. David Brohn of UK has written several articles about it in the Structural Engineer Journal of the Institution of Structural Engineers, UK, and has published a book on 'Understanding of Structural Analysis'.  Dr. Brohn informs me that through IStructE, curriculum on structural behaviour has been introduced in all the UK universities.  It is high time that this subject is introduced in the curriculum of the Indian structural engineering degree courses also, and organisations like SEFI and ACCE (I) can take initiative on it.


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On 19 February 2016 at 11:44, prof.maheshtandon <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:
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           We read every now and then that "80% of engineers are unemployable". I think this is an exaggeration even though there may be an element of truth in the statement. Here we will not take up the dilemma of mushrooming of colleges that have little qualified staff but dish out big degrees like BTech and MTech. This is for the AICTE to resolve.

Let us go back a little in time. As in most spheres of human endeavour computers have made a fundamental change to the practice of structural engineering. In the B.C. (Before Computers) era, upto the 1970s, individual steps of the structural engineering designs were executed manually with a slide-rule or calculator which carried the burden of arithmetical operations. However, in the A.D. (After Desk-top Computers) era, computerisation of the whole process has rapidly become a reality. We are now heading towards one “seamless” design drawing activity. Soon it would become possible that once the conception of the structure has been made and converted into a form recognised by the computer (and the computers are very intelligent and understand even fuzzy logic), it can be prompted through simple commands in a single software package to yield the final drawings for execution at site. Fortunately, the human brain will still have some utility by way of structural modelling, and checking the validity of results at intermediate steps (if the software so allows!) and if we get out of our lethargy and not become gullible to reams of outputs which have been churned out by a vastly superior calculating brain but which has not yet reached the status of human being.

How to make Engineers Employable? Give them short term courses to orient them to the world beyond the walls of their institute. They do not require more of what they are already learning in their institution. I was pleasantly surprised to learn about the initiatives being taken by Association of Consulting Civil Engineers in this direction. Apart from preparing supplementing structural engineering lectures on practical aspects of design (eg what is the deflected shape and which side is tension created in a RCC frame subject to horizontal forces ? ) they are teaching how to read a drawing, what should be contained in the Notes on the drawing, how to implant the information of the drawing actually on ground, how to define the methodology and sequence of construction, how to interpret a subsurface investigation report and what does a bore log look like, etc. Structural behaviour rather than FEM is what they need exposure to. Making a hand-made sketch to explain structure or its deflected shape is passe. Agreed that these are simple issues but these are exactly what will make them employable, Make them do well in interviews and structural engineering look interesting if not fascinating.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:49 am    Post subject: [LIVE NOW] Feb 8- Feb 21: Econference on State of Structural Engineering Practice and Education Reply with quote

Dear Prof. Mahesh Tandon, Your observations and noting are right on point that we need to dwell upon. Your statements about B.C. & D.C. are true. The moment we understand these advances are advances in tools and not replacements for understanding, I am sure we will be able to address most of issues the industry faces.
Thanks for also mentioning about ACCE(I)'s efforts in this direction.To supplement and seek participation from professionals to ACCE(I)'s endeavor following information may be of use.
ACCE(I) has already commenced this program and has been running for five years. To expand this program at national level [ at the moment this program is scheduled in 12 colleges].  22 colleges have evinced interest and we require to deliver 660 presentations in a year. we need resource persons to take this further. You always have been in forefront on these type activities and we already have  your consent. Through this forum appeal is made to all who wish to participate to send their consent along with subjects/topics they wish to deal, keeping in mind that this program is for students and hence interactive and is different than lecture or technical presentations.
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Umesh Rao       


On 19 February 2016 at 11:44, prof.maheshtandon <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:
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           We read every now and then that "80% of engineers are unemployable". I think this is an exaggeration even though there may be an element of truth in the statement. Here we will not take up the dilemma of mushrooming of colleges that have little qualified staff but dish out big degrees like BTech and MTech. This is for the AICTE to resolve.

Let us go back a little in time. As in most spheres of human endeavour computers have made a fundamental change to the practice of structural engineering. In the B.C. (Before Computers) era, upto the 1970s, individual steps of the structural engineering designs were executed manually with a slide-rule or calculator which carried the burden of arithmetical operations. However, in the A.D. (After Desk-top Computers) era, computerisation of the whole process has rapidly become a reality. We are now heading towards one “seamless” design drawing activity. Soon it would become possible that once the conception of the structure has been made and converted into a form recognised by the computer (and the computers are very intelligent and understand even fuzzy logic), it can be prompted through simple commands in a single software package to yield the final drawings for execution at site. Fortunately, the human brain will still have some utility by way of structural modelling, and checking the validity of results at intermediate steps (if the software so allows!) and if we get out of our lethargy and not become gullible to reams of outputs which have been churned out by a vastly superior calculating brain but which has not yet reached the status of human being.

How to make Engineers Employable? Give them short term courses to orient them to the world beyond the walls of their institute. They do not require more of what they are already learning in their institution. I was pleasantly surprised to learn about the initiatives being taken by Association of Consulting Civil Engineers in this direction. Apart from preparing supplementing structural engineering lectures on practical aspects of design (eg what is the deflected shape and which side is tension created in a RCC frame subject to horizontal forces ? ) they are teaching how to read a drawing, what should be contained in the Notes on the drawing, how to implant the information of the drawing actually on ground, how to define the methodology and sequence of construction, how to interpret a subsurface investigation report and what does a bore log look like, etc. Structural behaviour rather than FEM is what they need exposure to. Making a hand-made sketch to explain structure or its deflected shape is passe. Agreed that these are simple issues but these are exactly what will make them employable, Make them do well in interviews and structural engineering look interesting if not fascinating.

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Prof. Mahesh Tandon
     



     


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:04 am    Post subject: How to make Engineers Employable? Reply with quote

Engineers Can Learn for Empoyability If They Wish 

May look surprising, but it is almost true for Engineers 

Particularly, civil engineering is no easy profession, far more difficult than other professions 


  • Application of engineering knowledge, common sense &amp; physical hard work in adverse environment are required 

  • Dedicated work &amp; commitment are required 

  • Not to care about suit &amp; car, but to involve with workers 

  • Not to think of dating break &amp; picnic, but to think of how best, concrete slab can be poured 

  • To evolve best methods to carry out various activities in minimum time, even lesser than allowed on bar schedule of whatever level 

  • Personal involvement on engineering coordinationon site &amp; off site 

  • Not to be rigid to interface with other disciplines 

  • Capacity building to improve communication skills,like commercial &amp; technical writers 

  • Capacity building to analyse project details, suchas specifications &amp; FEED details 

  • During work, trying forget that you are civilengineer, but to confine mindset to meet &amp; produce requirement 

  • Make available to as &amp; when required for work,even during off hours 

  • Sacrifice is required in many cases to societyfunctions 

  • Sentiment is required for work at low payment &amp; not to make millions shortly 

  • True that culture has changed &amp; all intend toearn crore/s overnight, but engineering cannot get engineer that much money 

  • Moreover, engineering cannot be learned in colleges,but in fields only 

  • Be ready to work in deserts &amp; forests 

  • Otherwise, do not opt for civil engineering,better go for MBA after BA 

    No law can procure quality in engineering, but engineers can   


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:08 am    Post subject: How to make Engineers Employable? Reply with quote

Is it possible to make all civil engineering aspirants "emloyable"?. No. I feel. In my opinion, one should have both the attitude and aptitude. Many are happened to be in this career because of many reasons.
Aptitude: Any work need an aptitude. Will a hard training on rgaras make one a good singer? He may be aware of ragas. Architects needs creative mind,...and so many. But a structural engineer needs so many...analytical ability, computation, communication..ect... Each individual is different, with varying aptitude. The question is how to segregate people who have required aptitude. Dare to fight is the aptitude of a warrior.

Attitude: Attitude is also very important. Almost all are telling about attitude.. Dedication, hard work, punctuality, updation.... A brave warrior should undergo systematic, disciplined training before going to a war...

We need to help young people.to choose this career if he possess both attitude and aptitude. It has to happen at 11th or 12th class, I feel.


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     This is true in totality.

Definitely the day will come (already being done at many places) when drawings will be generated through 3-D model itself.

Bar bending schedule prepared by system sent directly to factory where rebars fabricated and sent site.. etc. etc.

In this scenario the practical trainings as mentioned by Tandon sir and being provided by ACCE will make the engineers as employable engineers.

We cannot run away from computers we need to upgrade our self.

Sangeeta


From: prof.maheshtandon [mailto:forum@sefindia.org]
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Subject: {E-CONF2016} Re: [LIVE NOW] Feb 8- Feb 21: Econference on State of Structural Engineering Practice and Education



We read every now and then that "80% of engineers are unemployable". I think this is an exaggeration even though there may be an element of truth in the statement. Here we will not take up the dilemma of mushrooming of colleges that have little qualified staff but dish out big degrees like BTech and MTech. This is for the AICTE to resolve.

Let us go back a little in time. As in most spheres of human endeavour computers have made a fundamental change to the practice of structural engineering. In the B.C. (Before Computers) era, upto the 1970s, individual steps of the structural engineering designs were executed manually with a slide-rule or calculator which carried the burden of arithmetical operations. However, in the A.D. (After Desk-top Computers) era, computerisation of the whole process has rapidly become a reality. We are now heading towards one “seamless” design drawing activity. Soon it would become possible that once the conception of the structure has been made and converted into a form recognised by the computer (and the computers are very intelligent and understand even fuzzy logic), it can be prompted through simple commands in a single software package to yield the final drawings for execution at site. Fortunately, the human brain will still have some utility by way of structural modelling, and checking the validity of results at intermediate steps (if the software so allows!) and if we get out of our lethargy and not become gullible to reams of outputs which have been churned out by a vastly superior calculating brain but which has not yet reached the status of human being.

How to make Engineers Employable? Give them short term courses to orient them to the world beyond the walls of their institute. They do not require more of what they are already learning in their institution. I was pleasantly surprised to learn about the initiatives being taken by Association of Consulting Civil Engineers in this direction. Apart from preparing supplementing structural engineering lectures on practical aspects of design (eg what is the deflected shape and which side is tension created in a RCC frame subject to horizontal forces ? ) they are teaching how to read a drawing, what should be contained in the Notes on the drawing, how to implant the information of the drawing actually on ground, how to define the methodology and sequence of construction, how to interpret a subsurface investigation report and what does a bore log look like, etc. Structural behaviour rather than FEM is what they need exposure to. Making a hand-made sketch to explain structure or its deflected shape is passe. Agreed that these are simple issues but these are exactly what will make them employable, Make them do well in interviews and structural engineering look interesting if not fascinating.

Regards,
Prof. Mahesh Tandon







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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:20 am    Post subject: New Technologies and Engineering Methods Reply with quote

I don't know what are the ideal parameters to check if an engineer is employable or not, but he/she should be able to deal with engineering methods and new technologies in his/her filed of study.
Just say, Now CAD system is a very common tool for every aspect of engineering whether it is Civil, Mechanical or Electrical. A Draft Person to A Field Engineer every body should have the knowledge in this CAD system.
But really when we check A draft person has the enough knowledge in CAD but the Field Engineer has none.
Similarly, when we check both of them with the parameter of engineering methods, we can see a Draft Person has none but the Field Engineer has the enough knowledge in engineering methods.
But if we want to grow our engineering capabilities and the production we should train everybody in this field with the ideal knowledge of Engineering methods and new Technologies.
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Dear All,
Observations by Prof. Mahesh Tandon are  important. At the same time, engineers  should take interest in learning things outside their syllabus. One semester can be dedicated to this type of practical training. It is a need of the day to provide some kind of practical  training like internship to fresh civil engineers to make them employable. The short course of 3 to 6 months can be planned with the participation of engineering colleges,  industry and practicing engineers associations. Fresh graduates should be exposed to different l topics like understanding geotechnical report, basic structural calculations and understanding structural behaviour, reading the drawings, working the quantities, concrete mix design, shuttering design, exposure to construction sites, knowing good engineering practices, tender documentation, PMC functions etc.

The question is who is going to do this activity ? Can the local associations with help from industry start this activity?

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Is it possible to make all civil engineering aspirants "emloyable"?. No. I feel. In my opinion, one should have both the attitude and aptitude. Many are happened to be in this career because of many reasons.
Aptitude: Any work need an aptitude. Will a hard training on rgaras make one a good singer? He may be aware of ragas. Architects needs creative mind,...and so many. But a structural engineer needs so many...analytical ability, computation, communication..ect... Each individual is different, with varying aptitude. The question is how to segregate people who have required aptitude. Dare to fight is the aptitude of a warrior.

Attitude: Attitude is also very important. Almost all are telling about attitude.. Dedication, hard work, punctuality, updation.... A brave warrior should undergo systematic, disciplined training before going to a war...

We need to help young people.to choose this career if he possess both attitude and aptitude. It has to happen at 11th or 12th class, I feel.


Bijoy


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Subject: {E-CONF2016} Re: How to make Engineers Employable?


This is true in totality.

Definitely the day will come (already being done at many places) when drawings will be generated through 3-D model itself.

Bar bending schedule prepared by system sent directly to factory where rebars fabricated and sent site.. etc. etc.

In this scenario the practical trainings as mentioned by Tandon sir and being provided by ACCE will make the engineers as employable engineers.

We cannot run away from computers we need to upgrade our self.

Sangeeta


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We read every now and then that "80% of engineers are unemployable". I think this is an exaggeration even though there may be an element of truth in the statement. Here we will not take up the dilemma of mushrooming of colleges that have little qualified staff but dish out big degrees like BTech and MTech. This is for the AICTE to resolve.

Let us go back a little in time. As in most spheres of human endeavour computers have made a fundamental change to the practice of structural engineering. In the B.C. (Before Computers) era, upto the 1970s, individual steps of the structural engineering designs were executed manually with a slide-rule or calculator which carried the burden of arithmetical operations. However, in the A.D. (After Desk-top Computers) era, computerisation of the whole process has rapidly become a reality. We are now heading towards one “seamless” design drawing activity. Soon it would become possible that once the conception of the structure has been made and converted into a form recognised by the computer (and the computers are very intelligent and understand even fuzzy logic), it can be prompted through simple commands in a single software package to yield the final drawings for execution at site. Fortunately, the human brain will still have some utility by way of structural modelling, and checking the validity of results at intermediate steps (if the software so allows!) and if we get out of our lethargy and not become gullible to reams of outputs which have been churned out by a vastly superior calculating brain but which has not yet reached the status of human being.

How to make Engineers Employable? Give them short term courses to orient them to the world beyond the walls of their institute. They do not require more of what they are already learning in their institution. I was pleasantly surprised to learn about the initiatives being taken by Association of Consulting Civil Engineers in this direction. Apart from preparing supplementing structural engineering lectures on practical aspects of design (eg what is the deflected shape and which side is tension created in a RCC frame subject to horizontal forces ? ) they are teaching how to read a drawing, what should be contained in the Notes on the drawing, how to implant the information of the drawing actually on ground, how to define the methodology and sequence of construction, how to interpret a subsurface investigation report and what does a bore log look like, etc. Structural behaviour rather than FEM is what they need exposure to. Making a hand-made sketch to explain structure or its deflected shape is passe. Agreed that these are simple issues but these are exactly what will make them employable, Make them do well in interviews and structural engineering look interesting if not fascinating.

Regards,
Prof. Mahesh Tandon







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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:00 am    Post subject: How to make Engineers Employable? Reply with quote

you see today is age where you cant survive on alone you have to work
in groups make company individual will go away but organisation will
never die they would change according to market and customer so every
body have to change now days softwares are available even diploma
holder can do designing that does not mean pg in structure is not
value we have to think in terms of customer,market,organisation you
should have very good soft skill always be positive try to help and be
innovative gone are those days where only degree would fetch you how
you add value or create value for customer or organisation we have to
establish good relationship with customer, we have to do good work in
society so everybody should favours try to create positive attitude we
will win the game will guide society to follows

On 2/20/16, bijoyav <forum@sefindia.org> wrote:
Quote:
Is it possible to make all civil engineering aspirants "emloyable"?. No. I
feel. In my opinion, one should have both the attitude and aptitude. Many
are happened to be in this career because of many reasons.
Aptitude: Any work need an aptitude. Will a hard training on rgaras make one
a good singer? He may be aware of ragas. Architects needs creative
mind,...and so many. But a structural engineer needs so many...analytical
ability, computation, communication..ect... Each individual is different,
with varying aptitude. The question is how to segregate people who have
required aptitude. Dare to fight is the aptitude of a warrior.

Attitude: Attitude is also very important. Almost all are telling about
attitude.. Dedication, hard work, punctuality, updation.... A brave warrior
should undergo systematic, disciplined training before going to a war...

We need to help young people.to choose this career if he possess both
attitude and aptitude. It has to happen at 11th or 12th class, I feel.


Bijoy


From: sangeeta.c (forum@sefindia.org)
Sent: ‎19-‎02-‎2016 12:14
To: econf@sefindia.org (econf@sefindia.org)
Subject: {E-CONF2016} Re: How to make Engineers Employable?


     This is true in totality.

Definitely the day will come (already being done at many places) when
drawings will be generated through 3-D model itself.

Bar bending schedule prepared by system sent directly to factory where
rebars fabricated and sent site.. etc. etc.

In this scenario the practical trainings as mentioned by Tandon sir and
being provided by ACCE will make the engineers as employable engineers.

We cannot run away from computers we need to upgrade our self.

Sangeeta


From: prof.maheshtandon [mailto:forum@sefindia.org]
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 11:45 AM
To: econf@sefindia.org (econf@sefindia.org)
Subject: {E-CONF2016} Re: [LIVE NOW] Feb 8- Feb 21: Econference on State of
Structural Engineering Practice and Education



We read every now and then that "80% of engineers are unemployable". I think
this is an exaggeration even though there may be an element of truth in the
statement. Here we will not take up the dilemma of mushrooming of colleges
that have little qualified staff but dish out big degrees like BTech and
MTech. This is for the AICTE to resolve.

Let us go back a little in time. As in most spheres of human endeavour
computers have made a fundamental change to the practice of structural
engineering. In the B.C. (Before Computers) era, upto the 1970s, individual
steps of the structural engineering designs were executed manually with a
slide-rule or calculator which carried the burden of arithmetical
operations. However, in the A.D. (After Desk-top Computers) era,
computerisation of the whole process has rapidly become a reality. We are
now heading towards one “seamless” design drawing activity. Soon it would
become possible that once the conception of the structure has been made and
converted into a form recognised by the computer (and the computers are very
intelligent and understand even fuzzy logic), it can be prompted through
simple commands in a single software package to yield the final drawings for
execution at site. Fortunately, the human brain will still have some utility
by way of structural modelling, and checking the validity of results at
intermediate steps (if the software so allows!) and if we get out of our
lethargy and not become gullible to reams of outputs which have been churned
out by a vastly superior calculating brain but which has not yet reached the
status of human being.

How to make Engineers Employable? Give them short term courses to orient
them to the world beyond the walls of their institute. They do not require
more of what they are already learning in their institution. I was
pleasantly surprised to learn about the initiatives being taken by
Association of Consulting Civil Engineers in this direction. Apart from
preparing supplementing structural engineering lectures on practical aspects
of design (eg what is the deflected shape and which side is tension created
in a RCC frame subject to horizontal forces ? ) they are teaching how to
read a drawing, what should be contained in the Notes on the drawing, how to
implant the information of the drawing actually on ground, how to define the
methodology and sequence of construction, how to interpret a subsurface
investigation report and what does a bore log look like, etc. Structural
behaviour rather than FEM is what they need exposure to. Making a hand-made
sketch to explain structure or its deflected shape is passe. Agreed that
these are simple issues but these are exactly what will make them
employable, Make them do well in interviews and structural engineering look
interesting if not fascinating.

Regards,
Prof. Mahesh Tandon







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Dear, 

1. The proper direction for infrastructure defines the scope of structural engineer if the infrastructural planning is up to international standards; 


2. Proper scope of structural engineering, effects or gets reduced if the decision making is by individuals;


3. Dividing the scope of structural engineering as follows;


1. Single unit residential structure
2. Multi-storey residential structure
3. Multi-sorry residential structure
4. Single floor industrial structure
5. Multi-floor industrial structure 
6. Public buildings such as 
- Hospitals 
- Schools 
- entertainment buildings
- auditoriums 


4. Other big structures for public usage
- Dams 
- bridges 
- embankments 
- pavement designs 
- pavement related retaining walls
- bus/train stations
- airports
- water problems 
- drainage problems 


5. As long as;
- government funded, or 
- properly defined
- as well as controlled by authoritative bodies
- implementation of public safety first attitude 
- implementation of personal safety first attitude 


The scope of structural engineering will be in rescued or practise is quite restricted.

We need to convince governemnt to develop large areas nearby the cities Sample mini colonies and promote actual safe constructions. Unless we promote we cannot make it our voice heard.



With 1000+ million population and 60% is expected to rise in cities; unless a planning macro way addressing the needs of 50years; structural engineering has a greater  role to play. 


Unless they don't take a lead in mitigating the future risks as mass public will face, we will dispersing in small way in addressing the above scope effectively. 


As I ever understand the sense that civilisations older than us played a greater role in building smart colonies and considering them as of now we failed to even address the public safety in our planning. 




Thanks, regards Zubair 

On Saturday, February 20, 2016, bijoyav <forum@sefindia.org> wrote:
Quote:
           Is it possible to make all civil engineering aspirants "emloyable"?. No. I feel. In my opinion, one should have both the attitude and aptitude. Many are happened to be in this career because of many reasons.
Aptitude: Any work need an aptitude. Will a hard training on rgaras make one a good singer? He may be aware of ragas. Architects needs creative mind,...and so many. But a structural engineer needs so many...analytical ability, computation, communication..ect... Each individual is different, with varying aptitude. The question is how to segregate people who have required aptitude. Dare to fight is the aptitude of a warrior.

Attitude: Attitude is also very important. Almost all are telling about attitude.. Dedication, hard work, punctuality, updation.... A brave warrior should undergo systematic, disciplined training before going to a war...

We need to help young people.to choose this career if he possess both attitude and aptitude. It has to happen at 11th or 12th class, I feel.


Bijoy


From: sangeeta.c (forum@sefindia.org)
Sent: ‎19-‎02-‎2016 12:14
To: econf@sefindia.org (econf@sefindia.org)
Subject: {E-CONF2016} Re: How to make Engineers Employable?


     This is true in totality.

Definitely the day will come (already being done at many places) when drawings will be generated through 3-D model itself.

Bar bending schedule prepared by system sent directly to factory where rebars fabricated and sent site.. etc. etc.

In this scenario the practical trainings as mentioned by Tandon sir and being provided by ACCE will make the engineers as employable engineers.

We cannot run away from computers we need to upgrade our self.

Sangeeta


From: prof.maheshtandon [mailto:forum@sefindia.org]
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 11:45 AM
To: econf@sefindia.org (econf@sefindia.org)
Subject: {E-CONF2016} Re: [LIVE NOW] Feb 8- Feb 21: Econference on State of Structural Engineering Practice and Education



We read every now and then that "80% of engineers are unemployable". I think this is an exaggeration even though there may be an element of truth in the statement. Here we will not take up the dilemma of mushrooming of colleges that have little qualified staff but dish out big degrees like BTech and MTech. This is for the AICTE to resolve.

Let us go back a little in time. As in most spheres of human endeavour computers have made a fundamental change to the practice of structural engineering. In the B.C. (Before Computers) era, upto the 1970s, individual steps of the structural engineering designs were executed manually with a slide-rule or calculator which carried the burden of arithmetical operations. However, in the A.D. (After Desk-top Computers) era, computerisation of the whole process has rapidly become a reality. We are now heading towards one “seamless†design drawing activity. Soon it would become possible that once the conception of the structure has been made and converted into a form recognised by the computer (and the computers are very intelligent and understand even fuzzy logic), it can be prompted through simple commands in a single software package to yield the final drawings for execution at site. Fortunately, the human brain will still have some utility by way of structural modelling, and checking the validity of results at intermediate steps (if the software so allows!) and if we get out of our lethargy and not become gullible to reams of outputs which have been churned out by a vastly superior calculating brain but which has not yet reached the status of human being.

How to make Engineers Employable? Give them short term courses to orient them to the world beyond the walls of their institute. They do not require more of what they are already learning in their institution. I was pleasantly surprised to learn about the initiatives being taken by Association of Consulting Civil Engineers in this direction. Apart from preparing supplementing structural engineering lectures on practical aspects of design (eg what is the deflected shape and which side is tension created in a RCC frame subject to horizontal forces ? ) they are teaching how to read a drawing, what should be contained in the Notes on the drawing, how to implant the information of the drawing actually on ground, how to define the methodology and sequence of construction, how to interpret a subsurface investigation report and what does a bore log look like, etc. Structural behaviour rather than FEM is what they need exposure to. Making a hand-made sketch to explain structure or its deflected shape is passe. Agreed that these are simple issues but these are exactly what will make them employable, Make them do well in interviews and structural engineering look interesting if not fascinating.

Regards,
Prof. Mahesh Tandon







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