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Escalation bills of a EPC contract and its verification

 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:27 am    Post subject: Escalation bills of a EPC contract and its verification Reply with quote

Hi to all competants,
How can I cross check the quantities claimed by contractor of - unskilled labor, fuel cement, and steel.
for example in case of labor we have not regular record of DLR (daily labor report) and now contractor if claiming 12000 labors how one can cross check that it is true.
In case of fuels contractor submitting record of store and fuel vouchers- further how one can verify if the vouchers are not true.
also fro cement and steel
Thanks and regards
S S Pawar
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:59 am    Post subject: EPC Claims Reply with quote

Dear Eng Pawar
Great to read you post, after too long a gap
EPC means no extras, if no deviation or no variation apply
Question does not give any details & EPC??
Workforce element must have been recorded had it been DayWork
Similarly, other materials consumed must have been recorded under signature of both parties to contract
Day work applies, when there is no susceptibility of any measurement on EPC contract data or on attached BOQ remains silent for monitoring purpose
If these work elements are not included in contract scope & certainly constitute variation based claims, you are bound to pay, but based on recorded data approved by both parties to contract
If this case that has been missed, means both are mistaken & benefit would of cours,e go to contractor, because Supervising engineer or Resident engineer slept to work on required duty
Now, based on assessment & probaility of estimates, inline to quantum of items, certain decision could be reached
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sir,

Why can't you do the reverse of rate analysis?

Just arrive at the quantities of concrete from drawings and its constituents from basics. Consider the Schedule of rates of local PWD or any government agency or recognized contractors rates as standard. Though there will be some deviation but you can justify to your payments.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Sir ,
Glad to see your comments.
Dear Sir Suraj ji -- you are here continue with the same pace performance and enthusiasm.
also thanks Mr Raghuveer

Regarding my topic My concern is only  how to verify the quantity claimed by contractor-- u/s labor, cement steel,  and fuel.
Rate i have no concern.
Hope we will do better.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:07 pm    Post subject: Is it really EPC Lump Sum or otherwise? Reply with quote

Is it really EPC Lump Sum or otherwise?

Eng Pawar  

Is it really EPC Lump Sum or otherwise?
Please, go through your contract with party 2, about to know, what actually contract status is

If it is EPC LS, there should be no question to consider, as you have raised

If it is otherwise, that you have to pay based on quantities, you should have an contractual understandingwithparty 2 to resolve this issue

Moreover, you cannot apply any force, if your records have been missed

I am givingmy talks on various types of contracts per FIDIC & otherwise on FB/Youtube

If you have some degree of interest, can benefit
EPC is not an easy system of contracts
Therefore, first learn thoroughly, before execution of EPC
I have seen Engineers miss this domain entirely
No personal view can work, but only professional
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