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To be Aware and Support GCPCE (Gujarat Council of Professional Civil Engineers)

 
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 6:00 am    Post subject: To be Aware and Support GCPCE (Gujarat Council of Professional Civil Engineers) Reply with quote

Dear All Sefians,


As you may already aware about below,

Under Gujarat Professional Civil Engineer's Act 2006,Gujarat Government has established GCPCE (Gujarat Council of Professional CivilEngineers, https://gcpce.gujarat.gov.in/) under which they conduct the examsand regulate the license to practice as Professional Engineer, for which manylocal civil engineer's associations are opposing this law (Read Ref-1), whichis very serious because majority engineers who are opposing do not practicestructural engineering practice with Structural calculations and detailingcriteria as per relevant IS standards.Majority of them don't even know IS13920.I see many public and residential buildings designed by them not to ISstandards guidelines.

Ref-1:https://www.divyabhaskar.co.in/local/gujarat/junagadh/news/repeal-new-civil-engineers-act-circulars-129676056.html

My personnel Opinion after discussion with my manystructural engineers friends who believes in Structural Engineers practice withStructural calculations and as per IS Standards, as below.

There may be some opinion difference for eligibilitycriteria of appearing in GCPCE's PE Exam & its fees and license validity.but over all its good initiative by the government. And same type of model is already there in developed countries like USA,Australia, European countries. (Giving the PE license after clearing the exam)


1. Requesting government to include clause in CGDCR act,Compulsory to submit structural calculations and structural drawings.

2. Scrutiny procedure: Structural design and drawings mustbe scrutinize by other structural engineer to ensure safety and quality indesign, just the way government does in their projects. And the way developer has to submit the plan as per CGDCR it has also to compulsory submit structural design and drawings.


3.Only Engineer with M.E in Structural engineering isallowed to get license of Structural Engineer, currently they also allowed B.ECivil & Diploma Civil Engineers after relevant years of experience.

As a responsible person, I see this wrong things happening(opposing of law and not doing proper structural engineering practice) I amwriting this to you and request you to post in SEFI for supporting GCPCE andimproving structural engineering practice, SO that others can also join andsupport GCPCE.

How you can support ?

Send email with your thoughts and suggestions in your words as discussed above to GCPCE's Registrar & keep all GCPCE's member in CC.


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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2022 9:20 am    Post subject: Re: To be Aware and Support GCPCE (Gujarat Council of Professional Civil Engineers) Reply with quote

Dear SEFIans,

Er Solanki has raised a very important issue. Gujarat is the only state with an Act for competency based Licensing of engineers. I was involved in the drafting of this Act. For many years after passage of this Act it was not implemented. The Council was not constituted. When it was finally constituted, it failed to meet and the registration of engineers has been going on with the use of the grandfather clause. For how many years must the grandfather clause be used to circumvent competency based licensing? I had heard recently that they were finally planning to implement the ACT in toto.

So it is a matter of much shame to learn  that some misguided civil engineers from Junagadh, led by a politician,  have asked for a repeal/dilution of the Act. As per information available in the public domain,  I believe that politician who  has changed parties often,  is currently  with the ruling dispensation, so has been able to get the Chief Minister's eyes and ears on the issue.

It is a test of structural engineers in Gujarat of how they  push back against  such regressive and malafide  demands of repeal of Act.

This Act is a flag bearer for licensing of structural engineers across the country and other states are looking closely at Gujarat to see its success or otherwise.

Dear  SEFIans from Gujarat, pl join in and prevent such a travesty from happening  and make a counter demand for the Act to be implemented in true spirit.

regards,
Alpa Sheth


bhsolanki wrote:
Dear All Sefians,


As you may already aware about below,

Under Gujarat Professional Civil Engineer's Act 2006,Gujarat Government has established GCPCE (Gujarat Council of Professional CivilEngineers, https://gcpce.gujarat.gov.in/) under which they conduct the examsand regulate the license to practice as Professional Engineer, for which manylocal civil engineer's associations are opposing this law (Read Ref-1), whichis very serious because majority engineers who are opposing do not practicestructural engineering practice with Structural calculations and detailingcriteria as per relevant IS standards.Majority of them don't even know IS13920.I see many public and residential buildings designed by them not to ISstandards guidelines.

Ref-1:https://www.divyabhaskar.co.in/local/gujarat/junagadh/news/repeal-new-civil-engineers-act-circulars-129676056.html

My personnel Opinion after discussion with my manystructural engineers friends who believes in Structural Engineers practice withStructural calculations and as per IS Standards, as below.

There may be some opinion difference for eligibilitycriteria of appearing in GCPCE's PE Exam & its fees and license validity.but over all its good initiative by the government. And same type of model is already there in developed countries like USA,Australia, European countries. (Giving the PE license after clearing the exam)


1. Requesting government to include clause in CGDCR act,Compulsory to submit structural calculations and structural drawings.

2. Scrutiny procedure: Structural design and drawings mustbe scrutinize by other structural engineer to ensure safety and quality indesign, just the way government does in their projects. And the way developer has to submit the plan as per CGDCR it has also to compulsory submit structural design and drawings.


3.Only Engineer with M.E in Structural engineering isallowed to get license of Structural Engineer, currently they also allowed B.ECivil & Diploma Civil Engineers after relevant years of experience.

As a responsible person, I see this wrong things happening(opposing of law and not doing proper structural engineering practice) I amwriting this to you and request you to post in SEFI for supporting GCPCE andimproving structural engineering practice, SO that others can also join andsupport GCPCE.

How you can support ?

Send email with your thoughts and suggestions in your words as discussed above to GCPCE's Registrar & keep all GCPCE's member in CC.


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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2022 7:30 am    Post subject: Reg:To be Aware and Support GCPCE (Gujarat Council of Professional Civil Engineers) Reply with quote

Kiindly take a note...


Our Post graduate courses in Gujarat in Geotechnical Engineering is so competitive., That" They must be allowed in Gujarat by GCPCE to o act as functional to give Structural Design and Drawings. "


Apart from there... Concerns of practising structural engineering fellows are only elements of structures. Many a times , it is observed that Structural engineers are surviving based only on good soil conditions. Rather than their design abilities.....on lighter side.


Various urban authorities must think about it.


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Dear SEFIans,

Er Solanki has raised a very important issue. Gujarat is the only state with an Act for competency based Licensing of engineers. I was involved in the drafting of this Act. For many years after passage of this Act it was not implemented. The Council was not constituted. When it was finally constituted, it failed to meet and the registration of engineers has been going on with the use of the grandfather clause. For how many years must the grandfather clause be used to circumvent competency based licensing? I had heard recently that they were finally planning to implement the ACT in toto.

So it is a matter of much shame to learn that some misguided civil engineers from Junagadh, led by a politician, have asked for a repeal/dilution of the Act. As per information available in the public domain, I believe that politician who has changed parties often, is currently with the ruling dispensation, so has been able to get the Chief Minister's eyes and ears on the issue.

It is a test of structural engineers in Gujarat of how they push back against such regressive and malafide demands of repeal of Act.

This Act is a flag bearer for licensing of structural engineers across the country and other states are looking closely at Gujarat to see its success or otherwise.

Dear SEFIans from Gujarat, pl join in and prevent such a travesty from happening and make a counter demand for the Act to be implemented in true spirit.

regards,
Alpa Sheth


bhsolanki wrote:   Dear All Sefians,


As you may already aware about below,

Under Gujarat Professional Civil Engineer's Act 2006,Gujarat Government has established GCPCE (Gujarat Council of Professional CivilEngineers, https://gcpce.gujarat.gov.in/) under which they conduct the examsand regulate the license to practice as Professional Engineer, for which manylocal civil engineer's associations are opposing this law (Read Ref-1), whichis very serious because majority engineers who are opposing do not practicestructural engineering practice with Structural calculations and detailingcriteria as per relevant IS standards.Majority of them don't even know IS13920.I see many public and residential buildings designed by them not to ISstandards guidelines.

Ref-1: https://www.divyabhaskar.co.in/local/gujarat/junagadh/news/repeal-new-civil-engineers-act-circulars-129676056.html

My personnel Opinion after discussion with my manystructural engineers friends who believes in Structural Engineers practice withStructural calculations and as per IS Standards, as below.

There may be some opinion difference for eligibilitycriteria of appearing in GCPCE's PE Exam & its fees and license validity.but over all its good initiative by the government. And same type of model is already there in developed countries like USA,Australia, European countries. (Giving the PE license after clearing the exam)


1. Requesting government to include clause in CGDCR act,Compulsory to submit structural calculations and structural drawings.

2. Scrutiny procedure: Structural design and drawings mustbe scrutinize by other structural engineer to ensure safety and quality indesign, just the way government does in their projects. And the way developer has to submit the plan as per CGDCR it has also to compulsory submit structural design and drawings.


3.Only Engineer with M.E in Structural engineering isallowed to get license of Structural Engineer, currently they also allowed B.ECivil & Diploma Civil Engineers after relevant years of experience.

As a responsible person, I see this wrong things happening(opposing of law and not doing proper structural engineering practice) I amwriting this to you and request you to post in SEFI for supporting GCPCE andimproving structural engineering practice, SO that others can also join andsupport GCPCE.

How you can support ?

Send email with your thoughts and suggestions in your words as discussed above to GCPCE's Registrar & keep all GCPCE's member in CC.


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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2022 7:30 am    Post subject: To be Aware and Support GCPCE (Gujarat Council of Professional Civil Engineers) Reply with quote

Very important point raised by Alpa ji
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2022 9:56 am    Post subject: Re: Reg:To be Aware and Support GCPCE (Gujarat Council of Professional Civil Engineers) Reply with quote

Geotechnical engineer 's role is very important , but in India their job is just to conduct soil tests and give soil report . They are not called at site during fixing of foundation level / or for any other Geotechnical issue .  A structure with best str design efforts , along with best quality of construction ,even,  can trouble if the soil founding strata is not OK. Therefore , I feel a Geotech er  certificate shall be made mandatory as regards correctness  of founding strata .

Quality control must start from ground first.

Just a personal view after seeing interesting post from Geo tech expert.




[quote="Arpit Parikh"]Kiindly take a note...


Our Post graduate courses in Gujarat in Geotechnical Engineering is so competitive., That" They must be allowed in Gujarat by GCPCE to o act as functional to give Structural Design and Drawings. "


Apart from there... Concerns of practising structural engineering fellows are only elements of structures. Many a times , it is observed that Structural engineers are surviving based only on good soil conditions. Rather than their design abilities.....on lighter side.


Various urban authorities must think about it.


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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2022 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today come to know that Alpa Sheth was member of committee before act was floored. If so committee constituted for recommendation of said act has never thought of practicing Engineers practicing in remote rural area. The committee has damaged such fraternity members a lot
The said Act is not for structural engineers only so far i understood it, prima facia a it is for all civil Engineers. The problem is the process of Registration. CGDCR has allowed civil engineers to approve plans in UDA where as GCPCE is not allowing this hence the oppose started. GCPCE has also wrote all municipalities to make it mandatory to register with them as PCE and not renew licences under CGDCR.
Only 56 Engineers got registration till date due to demand of many documents by GCPCE.
This registration will lead to unemployment of those engineers who are practicing in remote rural area under CGDCR provisions.
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2022 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come to know that Alpa Sheth was the member of experts committee formed by govt of Guj before act was floored.This act is not for only structural engineers but for all civil engineers so far i understood. The said expert committee has never thought of Civil Engineers practicing in remote rural areas. Committees has damage them a lot.At presant CGDCR 2017 permits all civil engineers to approve plans where as GCPCE doesn't permits so, hence the oppose started.Main problem is with registration process. GCPCE demands lots of documentary evidence to register as PCE. Ony 56 engineers in pan Gujarat got registration till date since GCPCE started registration in Oct  2017.I was first to apply for PCE from Gujarat and has produced 5Kg of papers consisting experience certificates, development permission granted by UDA and TP department, plans, some BUs available with me, certificates of seminar and programs attended for knowledge upgradation etc. I m awaiting for final decision even today.The point is process is so lengthy and tiring of. Expert committee has damaged fraternity members a lot and this will lead to unemployment for Engineers practicing in rural and remote area
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2022 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Choksi,

May I kindly direct your attention to the GCPCE Act and the accompanying rules and regulations which exempts certain type of structures from certain  requirements? Pl review Clause 26 of the Act. Remote, rural areas are covered.

It is always so much more satisfying to have a well-informed discussion than be swept by emotions and paint something evil without really trying to be knowledgeable of the subject matter.

In this age of social media, we are all so easily swayed by fake news that it is impossible to reach out and listen to each other. The environment today is so fragile and vulnerable to the stoking of mass hysteria by vested interests.


Regards,
Alpa Sheth


jabirchoksi wrote:
Come to know that Alpa Sheth was the member of experts committee formed by govt of Guj before act was floored.This act is not for only structural engineers but for all civil engineers so far i understood. The said expert committee has never thought of Civil Engineers practicing in remote rural areas. Committees has damage them a lot.At presant CGDCR 2017 permits all civil engineers to approve plans where as GCPCE doesn't permits so, hence the oppose started.Main problem is with registration process. GCPCE demands lots of documentary evidence to register as PCE. Ony 56 engineers in pan Gujarat got registration till date since GCPCE started registration in Oct  2017.I was first to apply for PCE from Gujarat and has produced 5Kg of papers consisting experience certificates, development permission granted by UDA and TP department, plans, some BUs available with me, certificates of seminar and programs attended for knowledge upgradation etc. I m awaiting for final decision even today.The point is process is so lengthy and tiring of. Expert committee has damaged fraternity members a lot and this will lead to unemployment for Engineers practicing in rural and remote area
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2022 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Alpaji
experts didnt thought of registration of these engineers , i mean.
1) GCPCE asks for BU certificates of 10000 sq mts of completed projects .in remote area Town planing department gives openion of building plan and Non agricultural permission is granted by District development office or collector offcies as case may be. there is lot confusiob among authorites who will provide BU of these approvals . i m practicing since 1988 and never seen any such BUs issues by any authority is these area . how can i register as PCE is this case? would you please ellaborate .
2)even there is no mentioning the name of Structural engineer in UDA also how can a structral engineer willl produce BUs .Authorityies have stareted mentioning St engineers name after CGDCR2017 it self . what about work done before  that ?
3) in Form 4  (prepared by GCPCE) is little bit difficult to comply as engineers have to produced certificate from owner/developer . how it is possible
4) besides these there are lot of difficulties faced by civil engineers for registration
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it is very unfortunate that learnend engineers and expert committe  has considered that in rural area only small structures are built which have plinth area less than 140 sq mts & building having gr+one floor only .does it not a myth?
also experts have concluded that others are not involved in well informed discussion and  swept by emmotins and pain something eveil without trying the knowlegable information of the subject matter .its really disaapointing
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