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LIMITATIONS OF RESPONSIBILITY OF STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS (Doc. No.: SSD II/06(19914) July 2022)
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:21 am    Post subject: Re: LIMITATIONS OF RESPONSIBILITY OF STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS (Doc. No.: SSD II/06(19914) July 2022) Reply with quote

Structural engineer shall not be held responsible for misdeeds / poor deeds of others viz  Site execution and QC at site to be the responsibility of  Site Lead Er , PMC if there , shall be subversive  to owner who will seek Quality Certiifications from PM Lead Er.  Architect certification regarding Land use , FAR , and Arch drgs . A str Er must be responsible for design, analysis and details to be in accordance  with  Standards.

I request that thru this Code,  LEAD Structural ENGINEER  Certification shall be Standardised and uniform in India .

STRUCTURAL STABILITY CERTIFICATE


Structural design /details for subject work/project submitted to  M/s - -  -  - -   has been  carried out strictly   as per Relevant BIS Codes .  Foundation of structures  were designed as per recommendations of Geo technical  Consultant M/s - - - - - - ( hired by Owner )  . Structure design /drgs submissions ensure   the  subject  Structure SAFE  , SOUND AND STABLE as per BIS standards  .  
* Regarding Construction and QC  refer footnote
** Regarding Deviations / Alterations  Refer footnote note  

The design / drgs / details have also been  Proof checked by Structural Consultant M/s  - -  -  -  

* Construction must be carried out by owner through its hired  Construction Agency strictly as per relevant latest BIS  Standards  maintaining  Continued  QUALITY Control through Independent QC Consultant  and Owner shall seek required certifications from those Agencies including Certification from Soil Geo tech Consultant .

** No  Deviations / No Alterations  be permitted by Owner who has sole responsibility  to  ensure  this.



(                 )               ( - - - - - )                                                              (- - - - - - - )
OWNER  M/s     Proof Structural Consultant   Structural EXPERT  ( M/S - -  - -)





alpa_sheth wrote:
Structural engineers have a secret weapon at theirdisposal- The stability certificate. A structural engineer should withhold the certificate it the work is not upto standards and request rectification if required.
I believe that the structural engineer can only be held responsible for  adequacy of the design drawings issued by him/her and not what is built at site as he/she has not been contracted for site supervision or as PMC.
This should be incorporated in the template of a standard
agreement of structural engineers.

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Alpa

ote="b_banerjee"]With due regards I would like to draw your kind attn that the following para can be a discussion thread so that a solution can come up in the industry."


"No any engineer shall suffer either from consultancy side or civic administration for misdeeds of generally illiterate builder/constructor.


On Thu, 1 Sep, 2022, 3:00 AM sachin_k, <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:

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            Dear Sirs/Madams,


As correctly pointed out by Shri. Gnanasekaran Ji, there must be a clause for fixing responsibility for failure due to unauthorised addition alteration by builder / constructor and Structural Engineers need to be indemnified thereby. But This responsibility should be fixed on builder / constructor only. Civic authorities can not keep 24 hours vigil on such constructions even if they wish to. No any engineer shall suffer either from consultancy side or civic administration for misdeeds of generally illiterate builder/constructor.


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Sachin K.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2022 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The conference on draft code for sending viewpoints last date is today 4th Sept.

Just to summarize various broad points sent thru various  posts  during this week  fm my end are as iunder:

1.0  STANDARD STRUCTURAL STABILITY CERTIFICATION
( Standard Form  to be included in this Code and also in NBC )

2.0  QUALIFICATIONS & EXPERIENCE  OF PDC , PC & PEER REVIWER
( Complex and special strs exclusively for Lead Mtechs with good experience  , but routine strs for Betchs with good experience)

3.0  CLASSIFICATIONS OF CONSULTANTS
   ( This is important as it is seen that even one man structural experts / Retired structural engineer also working as PDC & PC , Ers / Consultants with limited resources working for str design work , there are big Consultants , so projects / str work must be identified and categorised  to cater all Consultants  , though a higher class Consultant can work on all type of str work .

4.0 CATEGORISATION OF STRUCTURES
( As stated at 3.0 , Categorization is necessary so that Competency cum capability be given due weightage . A design work suffer if it is awarded to a Consultant  not able to deliver effectively for want of competency / capability (resources). Thus this could be included to safeguard against project / work being going into incompetent / incapable  hands.
( Strs can be categorised as Compkex/ Special Structures, Mega structures , Semi mega ( Medium) Strs  , Small Structures & Low Budget Structures)
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:59 am    Post subject: [ECONF] LIMITATIONS OF RESPONSIBILITY OF STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS (Doc. No.: SSD II/06(19914) July 2022) Reply with quote

Good Morning ALL,One point :Can Structural Audit be made compulsory for all important buildings. This should be included in this code. Ensuring continuous health of the building. hence the PDC / PC would be at ease. How can PDC / PC be responsible for the whole life of the building?Experts views are very important on this.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:30 am    Post subject: LIMITATIONS OF RESPONSIBILITY OF STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS (Doc. No.: SSD II/06(19914) July 2022) Reply with quote

Good Morninig ALL,
One point :
Can Structural Audit be made compulsory for all important buildings. This should be included in this code. Ensuring continuous health of the building. hence the PDC / PC would be at ease. How can PDC / PC be responsible for the whole life of the building?
Experts views are very important on this.

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STRUCTURAL  AUDITING MUST BE INCLUDED IN THIS CODE . FIRST AUDIT MAY BE AFTER 10 YRS

WHOLE LIFE IN ITSELF IS VERY CONFUSING TERM .  NO MATERIAL IS IMMORTAL , NO INDVIDUAL ( DESIGNER)  IS IMMORTAL. A FULLY  LOADED STR  IF STANDS INITIALLY  FOR A PERIOD OF 7 YRS WITHOUT CRACKING TENDENCY , IT SHALL BE TREATED TO BE OK.. PERIODIC  STRUCTURAL   AUDIT AND MAINTENANCE MUST BE DEFINED IN THE CODE FOR STR  LONGEVITY.



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Good Morning ALL,One point :Can Structural Audit be made compulsory for all important buildings. This should be included in this code. Ensuring continuous health of the building. hence the PDC / PC would be at ease. How can PDC / PC be responsible for the whole life of the building?Experts views are very important on this.
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