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VPandya · General Sponsor Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 842

Sir ,
I have worked in USA for many years as a Structural Engineer . When working in India I noticed that GEOTECH ( SOIL CONSULTANT ) Consultant only give Soil Report ( Soil Borings or Rock Profile ) . In India Geotech Consultant does not decide whether to use :
1 Footings , or
2) Raft Foundations , or
3 ) Pile Foundations .

In USA Geotech Consultant get FOUNDATIONs REACTIONS from PDC and recommends type of Foundation to be used for the projects . In USA Geotech consultants are also license Professional Engineers ( P.E.) .
This code should be applicable to Soil Consultants asking them to tell PDC what type of Foundation to use.
ANY COMMENTS ?

Regards .
Vasudeo Pandya P.E.
Structural Engineer
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mueezkhan · SEFI Member Joined: 11 May 2020 Posts: 1

Dear Sir,

In india soil consultants dont have much knowledge of structure design and also a lot of conflict arises between soil consultants and structral designer, who is responsible for the foundation and all. It is better to design the foundation by structural designer.

Mohd mueez khan
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vishnu75 · SEFI Member Joined: 25 Sep 2008 Posts: 4

Agreed. In India, structural engineers will be even blamed! Are you so incompetent, cant you decide, and so on!

Often the structural engineer is asked to check the soil and advise how much SBC we get!

Vishnu

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crep72 · General Sponsor Joined: 11 Apr 2008 Posts: 11

Dear Sir,

The Geotechnical Engineer role (Foundation recommendations) also needs to be added in this Code.

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JVCSNL · ... Joined: 26 Jan 2003 Posts: 161

The soil (geotech) consultant provides the recommendations as prescribed in the order given to them for their services. Hence, it is prudent to define clearly what is expected loading on soil and what type of foundation design we are likely to adopt.

As a structural engineers, we shall inform the probable permissible SBC requirement based on the building/structure we are designing. As there can be lot of possibilities in the type of foundation system and geotechnical parameters, it is imperative to inform the possible loading on soil. In fact, it shall also include whether the type of foundation will be isolated, strip or raft type so that geotech consultant provide necessary data at different levels. In case, soil is not capable of desired SBC, it is necessary to seek data pertaining to different pile capacities, for various diameters and pile lengths.

For unknown sites, interaction between structural and geotechnical engineer shall continue for optimum foundation design concepts.

Best Regards,

Jignesh V Chokshi

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Sir ,
I have worked in USA for many years as a Structural Engineer . When working in India I noticed that GEOTECH ( SOIL CONSULTANT ) Consultant only give Soil Report ( Soil Borings or Rock Profile ) . In India Geotech Consultant does not decide whether to use :
1 Footings , or
2) Raft Foundations , or
3 ) Pile Foundations .

In USA Geotech Consultant get FOUNDATIONs REACTIONS from PDC and recommends type of Foundation to be used for the projects . In USA Geotech consultants are also license Professional Engineers ( P.E.) .
This code should be applicable to Soil Consultants asking them to tell PDC what type of Foundation to use.
ANY COMMENTS ?

Regards .
Vasudeo Pandya P.E.
Structural Engineer
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2feeq008 · SEFI Member Joined: 06 Jun 2016 Posts: 8

In Nigeria, several individuals practice as Engineers on different project occasions, and some clients don't have to believe on the Engineer handling their project whereas they give room to the Mixer/Labor to take charge and make a distinction on the ongoing projects at the site.All these are based on the leak/defect of the professional body we have in the country.
1. They don't focus on Geotechnics reports.
2. Municipal town planning for building approver.
3. The leak of monitoring teams.
4. Failure to monitor the local production industry on setting standards.
5. Leak of manufacturer industry for construction used.
6. Regulate the standard of practice among others and fix out unprofessionalism that is practiced in the project.

On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 9:58 AM vishnu75 <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:

[quote] Agreed. In India, structural engineers will be even blamed! Are you so incompetent, cant you decide, and so on!

Often the structural engineer is asked to check the soil and advise how much SBC we get!

Vishnu

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prasantachdash · SEFI Member Joined: 25 Jan 2019 Posts: 3

Structural Engineer analyzing Geotechnical report and deciding foundation require that the SE has good understanding of Geo Tech. Other way Geo Tech Engineer deciding foundation require that Geo Tech Engineer has very very sound knowledge of structural analysis. So it is upto some one to have a take on it.The important point is to have a credible Geo Tech Report, which does not happen always.

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022, 14:29 vishnu75, <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:

[quote] Agreed. In India, structural engineers will be even blamed! Are you so incompetent, cant you decide, and so on!

Often the structural engineer is asked to check the soil and advise how much SBC we get!

Vishnu

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gondelamahesh · SEFI Member Joined: 14 May 2020 Posts: 2

Which type of starta sir..

On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 14:29 vishnu75 <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:

[quote] Agreed. In India, structural engineers will be even blamed! Are you so incompetent, cant you decide, and so on!

Often the structural engineer is asked to check the soil and advise how much SBC we get!

Vishnu

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hemraj chanchal · SEFI Member Joined: 09 Jul 2018 Posts: 15

DearDon't blame anybody else. Please refer to all the standards and ISI Codes.
Hemraj Chanchal

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vikram.jeet · General Sponsor Joined: 26 Jan 2003 Posts: 3715

Soil reports generally give recommendations reg type of foundations , their founding depth and provide Net sbc table. In case piling is there , report provides recommendation of pile dias and give carrying capacities vs pile lengths.

But nowhere , in India, structure design is carried by Geo- tech Consultant . Str design is to be given by SE .