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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 4:46 am    Post subject: Review of existing practices . Reply with quote

Sir ,  
I have worked in USA for many years as a Structural Engineer . When working in India I noticed that GEOTECH ( SOIL CONSULTANT ) Consultant only give Soil Report ( Soil Borings or Rock Profile ) . In India Geotech Consultant does not decide whether to use :  
1 Footings , or  
2) Raft Foundations , or  
3 ) Pile Foundations .  

In USA Geotech Consultant get FOUNDATIONs REACTIONS from PDC and recommends type of Foundation to be used for the projects . In USA Geotech consultants are also license Professional Engineers ( P.E.) .  
This code should be applicable to Soil Consultants asking them to tell PDC what type of Foundation to use.  
ANY COMMENTS ?  

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Vasudeo Pandya P.E.  
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 5:30 am    Post subject: Review of existing practices . Reply with quote

Dear Sir,

In india soil consultants dont have much knowledge of structure design and also a lot of conflict arises between soil consultants and structral designer, who is responsible for the foundation and all. It is better to design the foundation by structural designer.




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On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 10:23 AM VPandya <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:

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           Sir ,
I have worked in USA for many years as a Structural Engineer . When working in India I noticed that GEOTECH ( SOIL CONSULTANT ) Consultant only give Soil Report ( Soil Borings or Rock Profile ) . In India Geotech Consultant does not decide whether to use :
1 Footings , or
2) Raft Foundations , or
3 ) Pile Foundations .

In USA Geotech Consultant get FOUNDATIONs REACTIONS from PDC and recommends type of Foundation to be used for the projects . In USA Geotech consultants are also license Professional Engineers ( P.E.) .
This code should be applicable to Soil Consultants asking them to tell PDC what type of Foundation to use.
ANY COMMENTS ?

Regards .
Vasudeo Pandya P.E.
Structural Engineer
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:53 am    Post subject: Review of existing practices . Reply with quote

Agreed. In India, structural engineers will be even blamed! Are you so incompetent, cant you decide, and so on!

Often the structural engineer is asked to check the soil and advise how much SBC we get!


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           Sir ,
I have worked in USA for many years as a Structural Engineer . When working in India I noticed that GEOTECH ( SOIL CONSULTANT ) Consultant only give Soil Report ( Soil Borings or Rock Profile ) . In India Geotech Consultant does not decide whether to use :
1 Footings , or
2) Raft Foundations , or
3 ) Pile Foundations .

In USA Geotech Consultant get FOUNDATIONs REACTIONS from PDC and recommends type of Foundation to be used for the projects . In USA Geotech consultants are also license Professional Engineers ( P.E.) .
This code should be applicable to Soil Consultants asking them to tell PDC what type of Foundation to use.
ANY COMMENTS ?

Regards .
Vasudeo Pandya P.E.
Structural Engineer
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 9:16 am    Post subject: Welcome to e-conference for Discussion on New BIS document SSD-II 06 (19914) : REQUIREMENTS FOR STRUCTURAL DESIGN AND PR Reply with quote

Dear Sir,

The Geotechnical Engineer role (Foundation recommendations) also needs to be added in this Code. 



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 9:16 am    Post subject: Review of existing practices . Reply with quote

The soil (geotech) consultant provides the recommendations as prescribed in the order given to them for their services. Hence, it is prudent to define clearly what is expected loading on soil and what type of foundation design we are likely to adopt.  

As a structural engineers, we shall inform the probable permissible SBC requirement based on the building/structure we are designing. As there can be lot of possibilities in the type of foundation system and geotechnical parameters, it is imperative to inform the possible loading on soil. In fact, it shall also include whether the type of foundation will be isolated, strip or raft type so that geotech consultant provide necessary data at different levels. In case, soil is not capable of desired SBC, it is necessary to seek data pertaining to different pile capacities, for various diameters and pile lengths.  

For unknown sites, interaction between structural and geotechnical engineer shall continue for optimum foundation design concepts.  

Best Regards,

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Sir ,
I have worked in USA for many years as a Structural Engineer . When working in India I noticed that GEOTECH ( SOIL CONSULTANT ) Consultant only give Soil Report ( Soil Borings or Rock Profile ) . In India Geotech Consultant does not decide whether to use :
1 Footings , or
2) Raft Foundations , or
3 ) Pile Foundations .

In USA Geotech Consultant get FOUNDATIONs REACTIONS from PDC and recommends type of Foundation to be used for the projects . In USA Geotech consultants are also license Professional Engineers ( P.E.) .
This code should be applicable to Soil Consultants asking them to tell PDC what type of Foundation to use.
ANY COMMENTS ?

Regards .
Vasudeo Pandya P.E.
Structural Engineer
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 9:16 am    Post subject: Review of existing practices . Reply with quote

In Nigeria, several individuals practice as Engineers on different project occasions, and some clients don't have to believe on the Engineer handling their project whereas they give room to the Mixer/Labor to take charge and make a distinction on the ongoing projects at the site.All these are based on the leak/defect of the professional body we have in the country. 
1. They don't focus on Geotechnics reports.
2. Municipal town planning for building approver.
3. The leak of monitoring teams.
4. Failure to monitor the local production industry on setting standards. 
5. Leak of manufacturer industry for construction used.
6. Regulate the standard of practice among others and fix out unprofessionalism that is practiced in the project.


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[quote]            Agreed. In India, structural engineers will be even blamed! Are you so incompetent, cant you decide, and so on!

Often the structural engineer is asked to check the soil and advise how much SBC we get!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 9:30 am    Post subject: Review of existing practices . Reply with quote

Structural Engineer analyzing Geotechnical report and deciding foundation require that the SE has good understanding of Geo Tech. Other way Geo Tech Engineer deciding foundation require that Geo Tech Engineer has very very sound knowledge of structural analysis. So it is upto some one to have a take on it.The important point is to have a credible Geo Tech Report, which does not happen  always.


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[quote]            Agreed. In India, structural engineers will be even blamed! Are you so incompetent, cant you decide, and so on!

Often the structural engineer is asked to check the soil and advise how much SBC we get!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 9:30 am    Post subject: Review of existing practices . Reply with quote

Which type of starta sir..

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[quote]            Agreed. In India, structural engineers will be even blamed! Are you so incompetent, cant you decide, and so on!

Often the structural engineer is asked to check the soil and advise how much SBC we get!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 9:44 am    Post subject: Review of existing practices . Reply with quote

DearDon't blame anybody else. Please refer to all the standards and ISI Codes.
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           The soil (geotech) consultant provides the recommendations as prescribed in the order given to them for their services. Hence, it is prudent to define clearly what is expected loading on soil and what type of foundation design we are likely to adopt.

As a structural engineers, we shall inform the probable permissible SBC requirement based on the building/structure we are designing. As there can be lot of possibilities in the type of foundation system and geotechnical parameters, it is imperative to inform the possible loading on soil. In fact, it shall also include whether the type of foundation will be isolated, strip or raft type so that geotech consultant provide necessary data at different levels. In case, soil is not capable of desired SBC, it is necessary to seek data pertaining to different pile capacities, for various diameters and pile lengths.

For unknown sites, interaction between structural and geotechnical engineer shall continue for optimum foundation design concepts.

Best Regards,

Jignesh V Chokshi


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Sir ,
I have worked in USA for many years as a Structural Engineer . When working in India I noticed that GEOTECH ( SOIL CONSULTANT ) Consultant only give Soil Report ( Soil Borings or Rock Profile ) . In India Geotech Consultant does not decide whether to use :
1 Footings , or
2) Raft Foundations , or
3 ) Pile Foundations .

In USA Geotech Consultant get FOUNDATIONs REACTIONS from PDC and recommends type of Foundation to be used for the projects . In USA Geotech consultants are also license Professional Engineers ( P.E.) .
This code should be applicable to Soil Consultants asking them to tell PDC what type of Foundation to use.
ANY COMMENTS ?

Regards .
Vasudeo Pandya P.E.
Structural Engineer
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soil reports generally give recommendations reg type of foundations , their founding depth and provide Net sbc table.  In case piling is there , report provides recommendation of pile dias and give carrying capacities vs pile lengths.

But nowhere , in India,  structure design is carried by Geo- tech Consultant . Str design is to be given by SE .
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