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[bhsolanki]

My Points on discussion.

1. One License One Nation related Engineer's bill is already in pipeline, I have attached one letter with this post, some of you may have seen it & Regarding more anyone can do internet surfing.

2. Again AS already discussed on Qualification requirements in PD & PDC, We observed in medical profession, in Architecture, advocate & notary community, Chartered Accountants, Pharmacist, Valuer (Moveable & Immovable Properties both), Surveyor (Insurance Surveyor of Immovable properties) , All have one license throughout India, EXCEPT ENGINEERS !

3. Here in Gujarat, Govt. Of Gujarat have initiative of issuing license by making a standard procedure by eligibility criteria to appear in the exam (MCQ type) & after only passing the exam one can get the license. (https://gcpce.gujarat.gov.in/)

Many Engineers opposes it and still opposing the exam procedures. Many of them who are opposing are not even able to draw simple SFD & BMD, Don't even know IS 13920 what is it for and what is its importance. To avoid such inefficient people's wrong practice, There must be standard procedure.

[rakesh_kumar]

Dear sir/madam,
I too advocate for these two below listed points,


1) Implementation of Engineers bill
2) one nation one structural licence.

[ankitghodile@gmail.com]

What is point discussion here How long this discussion taken???

On Fri, 2 Sep, 2022, 8:22 am bhsolanki, <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:

[mohdshaikvali786@gmail.co]

Dear Alpa Madam,In my opinion, there should be 1 license valid throughout the country. People in the code committee can add criteria for the same in the national building code which will then be mandatory for all the states. We should recommend similar criteria added in the National Building code for License to practice Structural engineering.

Thanks and Regards,

Shaik vali

[diwakar bhagat]

Anything on widespread understanding in general public domain of risks and value of structurally designed structures and non engineered structures being built in country .

Means compulsion by authorities and .... to compellingly use registered engineers or only structural enggrs to develop and build structures


We ought to see other fraternity ..


Medical field and hospitals


Automotive industry


Water and drinking water industry picking up on health grounds


Above all three have risen up in importance in context to human health and safety and life
Anything to throw light onto our work
( structural enggrs work ) in same league

[P Mohapatra]

Dear Sir,

             Greetings from us and we welcome such an e-conference on a very important subject like Proof Checking and Vetting works.
During course of this e-conference the subject on licensing of Structural Engineers is of paramount importance and would like to put it as below:
  In Odisha , the Govt..of Odisha registers the Structural Engineers through the Directorate of Town planning under the Urban Ministry of the state.. Before approval of any Project in the state the licensed structural engineer is to put his signature along with the the License No for e verification.
But the critical part of the license is to issue a stability certificate from the Structural Engineer for a project approval which includes the following clauses :
01. The Building is designed with respect to the latest Indian Codes of Practice considering both the Wind and Earthquake loads in the concerned Zones.
02. The structural engineer is responsible for supervision of works  and an undertaking has to be furnished to that effect.
03. An undertaking to be submitted for the Building is being constructed conforming to approved plan
04.The Structural Engineer is responsible for action by the concerned Authorities if the construction is made in deviation of approved plan ,if there is any structural failure due to wrong /unsafe structural design and use of low quality material and or poor workmanship etc.


In the above undertaking point no 1 is ok . But three other undertakings are a matter to be discussed.
Most of the Govt. bodies including CPWD  put up tender for Structural Design works and no payment allocation is there for supervision works , even as per the principle of finalizing a Tender the lowest bidder only gets the work where there is a cut throat competition.
I request Esteemed members to please opine on if there  should not be a minimum charge clause in a Tender to maintain the quality and also a separate provision for supervision works in- built with the  Structural Design works.


As far as private works/ developers are concerned , even the client is not ready to pay minimum charges for Structural Design Charges , so why a structural Engineer should be responsible for supervision and quality of works when he is not paid separately for the same. Should not this clause be separated from the Undertaking , rather the onus of Supervision should be on Client.
Similarly the Construction as per Approved  Drawing is the responsibility of the  Architect /Owner not of Structural Engineer .Valuable suggestions/opinions are solicited from learned members of the Forum and if possible  to  prepare a back ground for uniform policy and single  point on line registration through out the country to develop better clarity and clear cut road map for taking up structural design works.


With warm regards


P.Mohapatra
Structural Engineer




BUILD SOL




ARCHITECTURAL & ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS
AN ISO 9001-2008 CERTIFIED COMPANY

[alpa_sheth]

Many thanks, Er. Mohapatra  for explaining the detailed procedure of Registration of Structural Engineers  in Odisha.
Is it possible for our esteemed SEFI members to likewise make a narration of the practice for registration or licensing (or not) currently existing in  their State?
That would be a great contribution of SEFI to BIS since it is quite apparent that the document under discussion has taken no cognisance of the current practice in different parts of the country.

Look forward to input from various the States of India!!

warm regards,
Alpa

[Hari_I]

Dear All,

The practice of putting the supervision of works under the responsibility of the structural engineer is very much prevalent in almost all jurisdictions across the country. The scope of supervision includes the certification of the quality of all materials, workmanship and execution and acceptance of full responsibility for the same. 


This is incorrect as the design structural engineer cannot verify all the quality and workmanship of the construction with the weekly or fortnightly visits for inspection they are contracted to do. It is prudent to have a separate engineer designated for the supervision of the works during execution. It will be best for PMCs to take this up since their staff are deputed to site solely for supervision 


NBC 2016 has a provision for such a registered professional to be engaged by the owner for supervisionof the construction. We should use the opportunity to get this point incorporated in the building codes. Once it is part of IS code, it will become easier to have the building department authorities to make changes to their current combined certification. 


Thanks,
Hariharan Iyer. 


On Fri, Sep 2, 2022, 12:42 alpa_sheth <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:

[quote]            Many thanks, Er. Mohapatra for explaining the detailed procedure of Registration of Structural Engineers in Odisha.
Is it possible for our esteemed SEFI members to likewise make a narration of the practice for registration or licensing (or not) currently existing in their State?
That would be a great contribution of SEFI to BIS since it is quite apparent that the document under discussion has taken no cognisance of the current practice in different parts of the country.

Look forward to input from various the States of India!!

warm regards,
Alpa


      P Mohapatra wrote:                Dear Sir,
           Greetings from us and we welcome such an e-conference on a very important subject like Proof Checking and Vetting works.
During course of this e-conference the subject on licensing of Structural Engineers is of paramount importance and would like to put it as below:
In Odisha , the Govt..of Odisha registers the Structural Engineers through the Directorate of Town planning under the Urban Ministry of the state.. Before approval of any Project in the state the licensed structural engineer is to put his signature along with the the License No for e verification.
But the critical part of the license is to issue a stability certificate from the Structural Engineer for a project approval which includes the following clauses :
01. The Building is designed with respect to the latest Indian Codes of Practice considering both the Wind and Earthquake loads in the concerned Zones.
02. The structural engineer is responsible for supervision of works and an undertaking has to be furnished to that effect.
03. An undertaking to be submitted for the Building is being constructed conforming to approved plan
04.The Structural Engineer is responsible for action by the concerned Authorities if the construction is made in deviation of approved plan ,if there is any structural failure due to wrong /unsafe structural design and use of low quality material and or poor workmanship etc.


In the above undertaking point no 1 is ok . But three other undertakings are a matter to be discussed.
Most of the Govt. bodies including CPWD put up tender for Structural Design works and no payment allocation is there for supervision works , even as per the principle of finalizing a Tender the lowest bidder only gets the work where there is a cut throat competition.
I request Esteemed members to please opine on if there should not be a minimum charge clause in a Tender to maintain the quality and also a separate provision for supervision works in- built with the Structural Design works.


As far as private works/ developers are concerned , even the client is not ready to pay minimum charges for Structural Design Charges , so why a structural Engineer should be responsible for supervision and quality of works when he is not paid separately for the same. Should not this clause be separated from the Undertaking , rather the onus of Supervision should be on Client.
Similarly the Construction as per Approved Drawing is the responsibility of the Architect /Owner not of Structural Engineer .Valuable suggestions/opinions are solicited from learned members of the Forum and if possible to prepare a back ground for uniform policy and single point on line registration through out the country to develop better clarity and clear cut road map for taking up structural design works.


With warm regards


P.Mohapatra
Structural Engineer




BUILD SOL




ARCHITECTURAL & ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS
AN ISO 9001-2008 CERTIFIED COMPANY
Plot No:-1465, Binayak Complex, Ground Floor,
Nayapalli, Bhubaneswar-751012, Odisha, India
Telefax: +91-0674-2563546Email:buildsolbbsr@gmail.com (Email%3Abuildsolbbsr@gmail.com) (Email%3Abuildsolbbsr@gmail.com ([email]Email%253Abuildsolbbsr@gmail.com))


















On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 8:28 AM badamsundararao forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org))> wrote:

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[vikram.jeet]

A Structural Engineer/ Consultant  shall not be asked to  sign on behalf of PMC , Quality Assurance engineer  and Architect   - reg assurance to stick to plans without  Deviations .

A Structural Engineer can take responsibility of his design, drgs only but  he is not a project implementation Authority. It is very disturbing to note that in certain state  Govt  engg deptt ,   not aware of  duties / functions of Architects , Structural expert , other services experts , and PMC / QC.

A Structural er sits in design office and produce design drgs details of project , and visits site on few occasions to check reinf , that too if requested by client. How can he is asked to certify something which is not under his domain of work.This is gross unjust to Structural Engineer  / Consultant and totally against spirit of NBC.

Code needs to clearly  say about the certification to be given by  str consultant  to be in respect of Structural Design and drgs/ details in accordance with BIS Codes,

[er_jna]

BMC/MCGM (Mumbai) has separate undertakings
1. Structural Engineer on record - is responsible for the structural design, and is required to provide occasional supervision as required.
2. Site Supervisor - is responsible for the execution of the design as per the drawings and specifications, and is required to provide continuous supervision to ensure the same.

I am not sure where the above fits in the PDC and PC code under discussion. I think, for this code, the qualification of the PDC and PC will always be w.r.t. some other documents/authority.

I am glad that this topic has received inputs from several users, and it will be useful in deciding the qualifications of PDC and PC.