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Substructure Design of Bridge

 
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 3:29 pm    Post subject: Substructure Design of Bridge Reply with quote

Kindly advise the best option for using Gross Bearing capacity or Net Bearing capacity while designing the abutments of the bridge. Specific reason for considering the either of two with codal provisions. Kindly guide as I am in fix to decide as some of the designers use GSB while other use NBC
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2023 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bridge foundations - Sbc to be taken


Gross safe bearing capacity need to be taken as while working various loads full soil weight comming on abutment  is taken in calculations

But it must be seen that soil report must provide value of GSbc value at founding level,,
If only net sbc is given then,,
GSbc = NSbc + ( Vsat - 1.0) *H'  + Vdry *H

Vsat   - Saturated unit wt of soil
H'  - Depth of foundation below HFL*
H - ht above HFL upto original GL at abutment as taken in soil report*
* In case HFL is higher than original ground profile level,, then  H= 0 and H' = foundation depth below OGL

But please inform Proof Checker in advance
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2023 4:30 pm    Post subject: Substructure Design of Bridge Reply with quote

Thank you so much.

On Wed, May 10, 2023, 9:33 PM amitavabh <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:

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           Calculate the actual bearing pressure below the footing = P1

Calculate pressure created due to weight of footing = P2
Total actual pressure = P1+P2 = P
Compare this calculated pressure P with Net bearing capacity given in Geotech Report at a specific elevation in the ground.



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Net bearing capacity given in Geotech Report at specified elevation + pressure due to weight of soil = Gross bearing capacity.

Calculate P + pressure of soil above the top of footing = Actual gross pressure.
Compare this Actual gross pressure with Gross bearing capacity.


Hope this clears everything.
Thank you
Amitava






If you use gross bearing capacity then use gross



On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 11:35:46 PM GMT-6, Rabinder Shekher wrote:




           Kindly advise the best option for using Gross Bearing capacity or Net Bearing capacity while designing the abutments of the bridge. Specific reason for considering the either of two with codal provisions. Kindly guide as I am in fix to decide as some of the designers use GSB while other use NBC
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2023 7:30 pm    Post subject: Substructure Design of Bridge Reply with quote

Dear Rabinder,
Gross bearing capacity is to check whether it has  exceeded the soil permissible safe bearing capacity or not.


Net bearing capacity is to check or find
1. Safety against Punching shear.
2. Safety against one way shear
&
3. Design the footing for benfing moment & finding reinforcdmrnt.
With best wishes
ANANDA D S



On Wed, May 10, 2023, 23:38 amitavabh <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:

Quote:
           Calculate the actual bearing pressure below the footing = P1

Calculate pressure created due to weight of footing = P2
Total actual pressure = P1+P2 = P
Compare this calculated pressure P with Net bearing capacity given in Geotech Report at a specific elevation in the ground.



-
OR
Net bearing capacity given in Geotech Report at specified elevation + pressure due to weight of soil = Gross bearing capacity.

Calculate P + pressure of soil above the top of footing = Actual gross pressure.
Compare this Actual gross pressure with Gross bearing capacity.


Hope this clears everything.
Thank you
Amitava






If you use gross bearing capacity then use gross



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           Kindly advise the best option for using Gross Bearing capacity or Net Bearing capacity while designing the abutments of the bridge. Specific reason for considering the either of two with codal provisions. Kindly guide as I am in fix to decide as some of the designers use GSB while other use NBC
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2023 3:30 am    Post subject: Substructure Design of Bridge Reply with quote

Thank you Mr. Amitava, for your useful explanation. I have one more question. For abutment, do we take the weight of backfill in the calculation of P1? Secondly, is this P1, comprises all the weights upto the top of foundation?
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On Thu, May 11, 2023, 2:11 AM amitavabh <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:

Quote:
           Calculate the actual bearing pressure below the footing = P1

Calculate pressure created due to weight of footing = P2
Total actual pressure = P1+P2 = P
Compare this calculated pressure P with Net bearing capacity given in Geotech Report at a specific elevation in the ground.



-
OR
Net bearing capacity given in Geotech Report at specified elevation + pressure due to weight of soil = Gross bearing capacity.

Calculate P + pressure of soil above the top of footing = Actual gross pressure.
Compare this Actual gross pressure with Gross bearing capacity.


Hope this clears everything.
Thank you
Amitava






If you use gross bearing capacity then use gross



On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 11:35:46 PM GMT-6, Rabinder Shekher wrote:




           Kindly advise the best option for using Gross Bearing capacity or Net Bearing capacity while designing the abutments of the bridge. Specific reason for considering the either of two with codal provisions. Kindly guide as I am in fix to decide as some of the designers use GSB while other use NBC
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2023 4:30 am    Post subject: Substructure Design of Bridge Reply with quote

Horizontal elements, like footings, are subjected to net pressure. Hence, design these for net pressure. Failure of soil is due to total pressure, hence for checking bearing capacity use gross pressure.

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M. Pradyumna

On 10-May-2023, at 7:22 PM, amitavabh <forum@sefindia.org> wrote:
Calculate the actual bearing pressure below the footing = P1

Calculate pressure created due to weight of footing = P2
Total actual pressure = P1+P2 = P
Compare this calculated pressure P with Net bearing capacity given in Geotech Report at a specific elevation in the ground.



-
OR
Net bearing capacity given in Geotech Report at specified elevation + pressure due to weight of soil = Gross bearing capacity.

Calculate P + pressure of soil above the top of footing = Actual gross pressure.
Compare this Actual gross pressure with Gross bearing capacity.


Hope this clears everything.
Thank you
Amitava






If you use gross bearing capacity then use gross



On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 11:35:46 PM GMT-6, Rabinder Shekher wrote:




Kindly advise the best option for using Gross Bearing capacity or Net Bearing capacity while designing the abutments of the bridge. Specific reason for considering the either of two with codal provisions. Kindly guide as I am in fix to decide as some of the designers use GSB while other use NBC
Regards

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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2023 6:30 pm    Post subject: Substructure Design of Bridge Reply with quote

Sir,
The pressure diagram below the bridge footing on Soil cannot be as simple as Pier/Column Load/Footing Area. Schematic details are available on URL https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Schematic-diagram-of-pressure-bulb-beneath-a-footing-of-width-B-1-a-and-beneath-a_fig1_260788979
The IS Codes: IS-456, IS 1904 (1986), IS 2950-1 (1981) etc, provide details.
Raghvendra Govind Kulkarni


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[quote]            Thank you Mr. Amitava, for your useful explanation. I have one more question. For abutment, do we take the weight of backfill in the calculation of P1? Secondly, is this P1, comprises all the weights upto the top of foundation?
Regards,
D. Bhowmick 

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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2023 5:30 pm    Post subject: Substructure Design of Bridge Reply with quote

Hi friends,
The total positive base pressure computed from stability analysis ought to be compared with safe bearing capacity of soil. 


If high water table is there uplift force should also be considered in which case tension should be restricted.


In addition to above if it is bridge across river/stream scour depth plays important level deciding founding level.


Anand 

On Sat, 13 May 2023, 14:56 saibai40, <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:

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           Sir,
The pressure diagram below the bridge footing on Soil cannot be as simple as Pier/Column Load/Footing Area. Schematic details are available on URL https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Schematic-diagram-of-pressure-bulb-beneath-a-footing-of-width-B-1-a-and-beneath-a_fig1_260788979
The IS Codes: IS-456, IS 1904 (1986), IS 2950-1 (1981) etc, provide details.
Raghvendra Govind Kulkarni


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           Thank you Mr. Amitava, for your useful explanation. I have one more question. For abutment, do we take the weight of backfill in the calculation of P1? Secondly, is this P1, comprises all the weights upto the top of foundation?
Regards,
D. Bhowmick 

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:30 am    Post subject: Substructure Design of Bridge Reply with quote

My point of view

Net SBC consider when there is no soil above footing  & Gross SBC required when there is soil above footing.




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Er. B D Kanawade 


On Mon, 26 Jun 2023, 2:42 am anandads, <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:

[quote]            Dear Rabinder,
Gross bearing capacity is to check whether it has  exceeded the soil permissible safe bearing capacity or not.


Net bearing capacity is to check or find
1. Safety against Punching shear.
2. Safety against one way shear
&
3. Design the footing for benfing moment & finding reinforcdmrnt.
With best wishes
ANANDA D S



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