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[francis chacko]

DEAR MEMBERS

I AM ATTACHING  A COPY OF  GOVT.OF KERALA LETTER  NO.GO (MS) NO. 41/11/LSGD DATED 14.02.2011.

AS PER RULE 115 HIGH RISE BUILDING (HEIGHT EXCEEDING 15 METRES ) IS TO BE DESIGNED BY POST GRADUATE ENGINEERS (AN EXTRACT IS ALSO ATTACHED FOR READY REFERENCE).

THIS RESTRICTION FOR GRADUATE ENGINEERS WAS NOT THERE PREVIOUSLY.

IN MANY OF THE GOVT.DEPARTMENTS AND PRIVATE CONSULTANT OFFICES GRADUATE ENGINEERS ARE UNDERTAKING STRUCTURAL DESIGNS

MANY GRADUATE ENGINEERS ARE PRACTICING AS STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS INDEPENDENTLY.

MANY GRADUATE ENGINEERS HAVE DONE STRUCTURAL DESIGN WORKS IN THE NATION BUILDING FROM VERY BEGINING

HENCE I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE  COMMENTS/DISCUSSION/APPROPRIATE ACTION REQUIRED IN THE SUBJECT MATTER

W.BEST WISHES,

K C FRANCIS

[yacub]

Sir
Kerala falls in Zone III of Earth quake. National disaster Management Authority (NDMA) has issued special guidlines for the design & construction of buildings & structures in Zone III, IV & V. NDMA has prepared "Model Building rules" to be followed in Zone III, IV & V.
As per this Model building rules, the qualification of Registered Structural engineers (RSE) is fixed as Post graduation in Structural engineering. Buildings less than 3 stories can be designed by any Civil engineer, where as, buildings higher than 3 stories is to be designed by a Post graduate in Structural engineer. Building higher than 7 stories is to be proof checked by another Structural engineer.
Kerala never used to have buildings higher than 4 stories in earlier days. Post graduate structural Engineers were also very few. The building done in older days had very high factor of safety and hence those building were not cost effective. Framed structures were not used for these buildings.
Now, Kerala has buildings higher than 40 stories. The safety of the inhabitants of these high rise buildings is of great concern to the govt. Hence Kerala govt has insisted that the buildings higher than 15 m is to be designed by a specilist in Structural Engineering. All life line structures like hospitals, theaters, TV towers are to be designed by RSE
We go to eye specilist for eye decises, urolosist for kidney disorders, Heart specialist for heart problems. A chartered Accountant is required to certify balance sheets. There are Management specilists like - finance, HR, etc.
Civil Engineerig is not just Structural engineering. Bridge Engineers, high way engineers, construction engineers, irrigation engineers, railway, airport, ports and so on require the services of Specilaists in Civil Engineers. Enviornmental engineers and Transportation engineers are in great demand these days.
Leave the structural design is specialists in Structural Engineering. I subscribe to the views of Kerala government, NDMA & NBC in this regard.

Dr. Yacub Mohan George

[francis chacko]

DEAR DR.YACUB MOHAN GEORGE,

I REGRET THAT I CAN NOT ACCEPT YOUR VIEW.
THE PRESENT RULE SERVES MANY GRADUATE ENGINEERS WHO ARE PRACTICING WITH JOBLESS.
ESPECIALLY GRADUATES WITH MORE THAN 30 YEARS ARE PRACTICING.IT IS AN UNJUST DECISION,
YOU MAY COMPARE OTHER STATES.THE UNDER SIGNED HAD WORKED AS STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IN MUM BAY AND HAD DONE DESIGN OF MANY MULTISTORY BUILDINGS.

YOUR CONTENTION  THAT THE DESIGN OF GRADUATE ENGINEERS WILL BE UNECONOMICAL IS NOT AGREED TO AS DESIGN METHODOLOGY IS SAME FOR GRADUATE ENGINEER OR POST GRDAUATE ENGINEER.A SENIOR GRADUATE ENGINEER MAY EVEN DO ECONOMICAL DESIGN BASED ON HIS  EXPERIENCE.

YOUR  COMPARISON WITH OTHER SPECIALIST DOCTORS IS ALSO NOT AGREED TO.
EVEN A PHYSICIAN OR  MBBS DOCTOR ALSO TREATS FOR ALL.THERE IS NO BAN THAT PHYSICIAN OR MBBS DOCTOR SHOULD NOT TREAT FOR EYE DISEASE ETC.

MORE OVER A POST GRADUATE ENGINEER  DIRECT FROM HIS STUDIES ALSO COULD NOT DESIGN PROPERLY.HE NEEDS AT LEAST TWO YEARS EXPERIENCE TO WORK IN A CONSULTANT ORGANIZATION OR UNDER SENIORS IN GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT.

HENCE THERE SHOULD NOT BE SUCH AMENDMENT.LEAVE THE RULE AS IT WAS.
LET THE CLIENT CHOOSE HIS STRUCTURAL DESIGNER.

AS INTIMATED BY ME PLEASE NOT THAT MANY GRADUATE ENGINEERS HAD CONTRIBUTED IN THE NATION BUILDING MUCH BEFORE TO EVEN YOUR BIRTH.

HENCE PLEASE DO NOT DISREGARD SENIOR GRADUATE ENGINEERS.

KINDLY TAKE AN INITIATIVE TO REGULARIZE AS IN THE PAST

WITH B.WISHES,

K C FRANCIS

[srini66]

I STRONGLY AGREE WITH Mr. K.C FRANCIS. THERE ARE SO MANY INSTANCES OF SOLVING ENG. PROBLEMS BY LESS KNOWN PEOPLE.

REGARDS
K.L SRINIVAS

[francis chacko]

DEAR MR.SREENIVAS,

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT
K C FRANCIS

[Madan Lal Bairwa]

dear ur suggestion about this rule about specialisation i m agree but this rule must be in all india,,,,here in rajasthan thare is not more known people about structure engineers.........an architect can give high rise buildings structural design..no one objection for this............

[francis chacko]

THANK YOU ER.MADAN LAL MINT.PL.DISCUSS WITH YOUR COLLEAGUES AND REPRESENT THE MATTERS TO THE CENTRAL GOVT./STATE GOVT. TO RECTIFY
THE RULES

B.WISHES,
K C FRANCIS

[vikram.jeet]

Experience is not taught but is caught. Ignorance of Experienced may
backfire.


Respected Er Sh UH Varyani sahab who has qualification of Degree in Civil Engg
has trained many M tech and even Ph D engineers who had chance to meet
him during his working years.
One has to be a practitioner for the subject. Higher Qualification is definitely an
added advantage but Qualification alone without experience /aptitude may not  
serve any purpose.

Govt of Kerala may be requested to honour the experience of B tech's who served the  
structural engg profession for long (upto late eighties Mtech were few).

Mtech qualification may be made mandatory for fresh design Ers since output of Mteh
is quite substantial at present times.

Ignorance of experienced is not a wise step.

with due regards to Er KC Francis for his long standing experience of structural
designing

vikramjeet



I STRONGLY AGREE WITH Mr. K.C FRANCIS. THERE ARE SO MANY INSTANCES OF SOLVING ENG. PROBLEMS BY LESS KNOWN PEOPLE.

REGARDS
K.L SRINIVAS
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[venkatesh]

Knowledge depends upon the person irrespective of the qualification. Even those persons who are having Ph.D's and some times may not design a simple building practically. certanly for wise persons and those who are curious to learn the things the qualification as well as experience will be added an advantage. qualification will boost  the self confidence and it also works enhancing the self esteem before the clients.

regards
venkatesh

[MANOJ MITTAL]

Dear Friends,

Structural engineering is part of Civil engineering . No doubt higher qualifications such as PG and doctorate will be desirable for structural engineering practice but it can not be mandatory requirement. Even higher qualifications without relevant experience has no meaning. Similarly Graduation in Civil engineering with relevant experience may be sufficient for structural engineering practice. In my views relevant experience and aptitude for designing is essential for our profession. Continueous upgradation of knowledge by way of self study, short term courses, seminars, workshops etc are also very important.

Qualifications and competence mentioned in NBC-2005 and Model bye-laws issued by NDMA (Min. of Home affairs ) and membership requirements for IAStructE are also based on this principle . Minimum 5-7 years of relevant experience is essential for independent practice. Making PG mandatory requirement and barring Graduate engineers (with relevant experience) will not be conducive for the profession . Kerala government should be asked to modify the bye-laws.

best regards,

MANOJ MITTAL





From: vikram.jeet <forum@sefindia.org>
To: general@sefindia.org
Sent: Mon, 16 May, 2011 6:10:09 PM
Subject: [SEFI] Re: qualification required for structural design

Experience is not taught but is caught. Ignorance of Experienced may
backfire.


Respected Er Sh UH Varyani sahab who has qualification of Degree in Civil Engg
has trained many M tech and even Ph D engineers who had chance to meet
him during his working years.
One has to be a practitioner for the subject. Higher Qualification is definitely an
added advantage but Qualification alone without experience /aptitude may not
serve any purpose.

Govt of Kerala may be requested to honour the experience of B tech's who served the
structural engg profession for long (upto late eighties Mtech were few).

Mtech qualification may be made mandatory for fresh design Ers since output of Mteh
is quite substantial at present times.

Ignorance of experienced is not a wise step.

with due regards to Er KC Francis for his long standing experience of structural
designing

vikramjeet



I STRONGLY AGREE WITH Mr. K.C FRANCIS. THERE ARE SO MANY INSTANCES OF SOLVING ENG. PROBLEMS BY LESS KNOWN PEOPLE.

REGARDS
K.L SRINIVAS
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