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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:28 am Post subject: Welding Anchor Bolts |
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10th Jan 2009
Don't great minds think alike?
I.B.
On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 jatfuentes wrote :
Quote: | Thanks, Dr. Subramanian, Thanks Mr. Indrajit Barua and all friends that sent ideas,
It is exactly what a I did. I used a butt weld and a sleeve welded to the anchor bolt. The pipe (sleeve ) I used is SAC 50, of better quality than the anchor bolt( SAE 1020). In other e-mail I will send the detail of the anchor bolt splice for future reference.
Regards, jatfuentes
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Quote: | Dear Mr.Jatfuentes, The following solution suggested by Mr.Indrajit Barua
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eys2/23.gif ]Dr.N.Subramanian,Ph.D.,F.ASCE, M.ACI, ook.htm (http://www.multi-science.co.uk/subramanian-book.htm)
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Quote: | From: ibarua <forum@sefindia.org> Subject: [SEFI] Re: Welding Anchor Bolts To: general@sefindia.org Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 10:32 AM
9TH JAN 2009
In case of tensile forces on the bolts, a solution
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Quote: | welded joint and then weld the 'sleeve' to the bolt,
| taking care not to damage the threads which will hold the
Quote: | nuts in place. Also, the question of loss of strength
| /increase in brittleness of the bolts due to heating
Quote: | during the welding process has to be considered.
Quote: | Indrajit Barua.
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:39 am Post subject: Welding Anchor Bolts |
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10 Jan 2009
The bolt has necessarily to project beyond the sleeve to accommodate the nut.
I.B.
On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 pravin.pai wrote :
Quote: | Dear Mr Barua:
I did not understand this solution. After he provides the sleeve over the joint, how can they screw the nut over it?
regards ppai
On 1/8/09, ibarua <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote: Quote: | 9TH JAN 2009
In case of tensile forces on the bolts, a solution may be to provide a 'cover' or 'sleeve' over the butt welded joint and then weld the 'sleeve' to the bolt, taking care not to damage the threads which will hold the nuts in place. Also, the question of loss of strength /increase in brittleness of the bolts due to heating during the welding process has to be considered.
Indrajit Barua.
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vipul_ahuja SEFI Member

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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:33 am Post subject: Welding Anchor Bolts |
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Why can't a simple coupler be used. Chip off some concrete if greater lap is required. If not much room is available for coupler, cut off a little bit of bolt shank to make it available.
If welding is done, it will be hard to align the new welded portion so the nut wont bear properly over the base plate. There is so much notching in the thread root; any bending in the bolt shank will initiate a fracture.
Thanks & regards
Vipul Ahuja
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:12 am Post subject: RES: Re: Welding Anchor Bolts |
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Thanks Mr. r.anna
I visited the site that you sent.
I found an interesting article in Internet that I send in attach.
Regards,
jatfuentes
De: ranna [mailto:forum@sefindia.org]
Enviada em: sábado, 10 de janeiro de 2009 04:17
Para: general@sefindia.org
Assunto: [SEFI] Re: Welding Anchor Bolts
the anchor bolt can definitely be welded.
for welding requirement kindly contact
welding research institute
bhel,
trichy 620014
phone 0431 2520266
r.anna
ranna@bheltry.co.in (ranna@bheltry.co.in) (ranna@bheltry.co.in (ranna@bheltry.co.in))
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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:56 am Post subject: Welding Anchor Bolts |
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Dear Mr. Jatfuentes
Is the anchor bolt, referred by you is made of high-strength steel?
High strength steels tend to be more sensitive to cracking than mild steels, which is why implementing good heat control prior to and during the welding process is crucial. First, preheating is a best step toward controlling the temperature gradient, or the range of temperature increase and decrease that occurs during welding. This is especially important, as welding on a cold piece of high strength steel will cause the material to heat up too quickly, and in turn cool too rapidly. This rapid cooling is the leading cause of cracking and preheating helps prevent it.
Likewise, welders need to maintain the correct interpass temperature for a given thickness of high strength steel. Doing so prevents a larger heat affected zone (HAZ) from forming during welding; HAZ is the area between the weld deposit and the base metal and an area that is prone to cracking. Maintaining interpass temperatures also reduces changes to the grain structure of the steel during cooling, which in turn limits any mechanical changes that could adversely affect the steels’ toughness or tensile strength. Welders can use contact pyrometers, Tempilstiks or other heat-sensing devices (including infared) to track the interpass temperature specified for their particular welding procedure.
As with any welding process, controlling travel speed and maintaining the recommended welding parameters (volts, amps) minimizes heat input when welding high strength steels.
Choosing filler metals with the least amount of hydrogen content, as well as those with good toughness (high impact values) and the appropriate strength is key when welding high strength steels. Each of these features also helps prevent cracking.
Carbon equivalant also places an important role in weldability; See pp. 20 of my book on steel structures
Regards
Subramanian
Dr.N.Subramanian,Ph.D.,F.ASCE, M.ACI,
Consulting Structural Engineer
Maryland, USA
See my books at: www.multi-science.co.uk/subramanian-book.htm
www.oup.co.in/search_detail.php?id=144559
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Subject: [SEFI] Re: Welding Anchor Bolts
To: general@sefindia.org
Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 4:56 PM
Thanks Mr. r.anna
I visited the site that you sent.
I found an interesting article in Internet that I send in attach.
Regards,
jatfuentes
De: ranna [mailto:forum@sefindia.org]
Enviada em: sábado, 10 de janeiro de 2009 04:17
Para: general@sefindia.org (general@sefindia.org)
Assunto: [SEFI] Re: Welding Anchor Bolts
the anchor bolt can definitely be welded.
for welding requirement kindly contact
welding research institute
bhel,
trichy 620014
phone 0431 2520266
r.anna
ranna@bheltry.co.in (ranna@bheltry.co.in) (ranna@bheltry.co.in (ranna@bheltry.co.in)) (ranna@bheltry.co.in (ranna@bheltry.co.in (ranna@bheltry.co.in)))
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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:41 am Post subject: RES: Re: Welding Anchor Bolts |
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Dear Dr. Subramanian
The chemical composition of SAE 1020 is : C=0.23, Mn=0.6; P=0.030 and S=0.05
Specifications don´t say nothing about Cr, Mo, V, Ni and Cu ( I suppose that don’t have this elements).
Applying the formula for equivalent carbon Ceq = (C+Mn)/6 + (Cr+Mo+V)/5 +(Ni+Cu)/15
I obtain Ceq = 0.138 less than 0.30.
Then I can deduct that this steel have good weldability
This steel SAE 1020 is very common here in Brazil for the design of anchor bolts. Its mechanical properties are Fy = 210 MPa and Fu=380 MPu.
Thanks for your advice.
Sincerely,
jatfuentes
De: drnsmani [mailto:forum@sefindia.org]
Enviada em: sábado, 10 de janeiro de 2009 23:37
Para: general@sefindia.org
Assunto: [SEFI] Re: Welding Anchor Bolts
Dear Mr. Jatfuentes
Is the anchor bolt, referred by you is made of high-strength steel?
High strength steels tend to be more sensitive to cracking than mild steels, which is why implementing good heat control prior to and during the welding process is crucial. First, preheating is a best step toward controlling the temperature gradient, or the range of temperature increase and decrease that occurs during welding. This is especially important, as welding on a cold piece of high strength steel will cause the material to heat up too quickly, and in turn cool too rapidly. This rapid cooling is the leading cause of cracking and preheating helps prevent it.
Likewise, welders need to maintain the correct interpass temperature for a given thickness of high strength steel. Doing so prevents a larger heat affected zone (HAZ) from forming during welding; HAZ is the area between the weld deposit and the base metal and an area that is prone to cracking. Maintaining interpass temperatures also reduces changes to the grain structure of the steel during cooling, which in turn limits any mechanical changes that could adversely affect the steels’ toughness or tensile strength. Welders can use contact pyrometers, Tempilstiks or other heat-sensing devices (including infared) to track the interpass temperature specified for their particular welding procedure.
As with any welding process, controlling travel speed and maintaining the recommended welding parameters (volts, amps) minimizes heat input when welding high strength steels.
Choosing filler metals with the least amount of hydrogen content, as well as those with good toughness (high impact values) and the appropriate strength is key when welding high strength steels. Each of these features also helps prevent cracking.
Carbon equivalant also places an important role in weldability; See pp. 20 of my book on steel structures
Regards
Subramanian
Dr.N.Subramanian,Ph.D.,F.ASCE, M.ACI,
Consulting Structural Engineer
Maryland, USA
See my books at: www.multi-science.co.uk/subramanian-book.htm
www.oup.co.in/search_detail.php?id=144559
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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:54 pm Post subject: Welding Anchor Bolts |
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Dear Mr. Jatfuentes
Since Fy is only 210 MPa, and since Ceq is only 0.138, you can weld it.
Best wishes
Subramanian
Dr.N.Subramanian,Ph.D.,F.ASCE, M.ACI,
Consulting Structural Engineer
Maryland, USA
See my books at: www.multi-science.co.uk/subramanian-book.htm
www.oup.co.in/search_detail.php?id=144559
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Quote: | From: jatfuentes <forum@sefindia.org>
Subject: [SEFI] Re: Welding Anchor Bolts
To: general@sefindia.org
Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 8:34 PM
Dear Dr. Subramanian
The chemical composition of SAE 1020 is : C=0.23, Mn=0.6; P=0.030 and S=0.05
Specifications don´t say nothing about Cr, Mo, V, Ni and Cu ( I suppose that don’t have this elements).
Applying the formula for equivalent carbon Ceq = (C+Mn)/6 + (Cr+Mo+V)/5 +(Ni+Cu)/15
I obtain Ceq = 0.138 less than 0.30.
Then I can deduct that this steel have good weldability
This steel SAE 1020 is very common here in Brazil for the design of anchor bolts. Its mechanical properties are Fy = 210 MPa and Fu=380 MPu.
Thanks for your advice.
Sincerely,
jatfuentes
De: drnsmani [mailto:forum@sefindia.org]
Enviada em: sábado, 10 de janeiro de 2009 23:37
Para: general@sefindia.org (general@sefindia.org)
Assunto: [SEFI] Re: Welding Anchor Bolts
Dear Mr. Jatfuentes
Is the anchor bolt, referred by you is made of high-strength steel?
High strength steels tend to be more sensitive to cracking than mild steels, which is why implementing good heat control prior to and during the welding process is crucial. First, preheating is a best step toward controlling the temperature gradient, or the range of temperature increase and decrease that occurs during welding. This is especially important, as welding on a cold piece of high strength steel will cause the material to heat up too quickly, and in turn cool too rapidly. This rapid cooling is the leading cause of cracking and preheating helps prevent it.
Likewise, welders need to maintain the correct interpass temperature for a given thickness of high strength steel. Doing so prevents a larger heat affected zone (HAZ) from forming during welding; HAZ is the area between the weld deposit and the base metal and an area that is prone to cracking. Maintaining interpass temperatures also reduces changes to the grain structure of the steel during cooling, which in turn limits any mechanical changes that could adversely affect the steels’ toughness or tensile strength. Welders can use contact pyrometers, Tempilstiks or other heat-sensing devices (including infared) to track the interpass temperature specified for their particular welding procedure.
As with any welding process, controlling travel speed and maintaining the recommended welding parameters (volts, amps) minimizes heat input when welding high strength steels.
Choosing filler metals with the least amount of hydrogen content, as well as those with good toughness (high impact values) and the appropriate strength is key when welding high strength steels. Each of these features also helps prevent cracking.
Carbon equivalant also places an important role in weldability; See pp. 20 of my book on steel structures
Regards
Subramanian
Dr.N.Subramanian,Ph.D.,F.ASCE, M.ACI,
Consulting Structural Engineer
Maryland, USA
See my books at: www.multi-science.co.uk/subramanian-book.htm
www.oup.co.in/search_detail.php?id=144559
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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:39 am Post subject: RES: Re: Welding Anchor Bolts |
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Thank you for your reply Dr. Subramanian,
Regards,
jatfuentes
De: drnsmani [mailto:forum@sefindia.org]
Enviada em: domingo, 11 de janeiro de 2009 18:38
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Assunto: [SEFI] Re: Welding Anchor Bolts
Dear Mr. Jatfuentes
Since Fy is only 210 MPa, and since Ceq is only 0.138, you can weld it.
Best wishes
Subramanian
Dr.N.Subramanian,Ph.D.,F.ASCE, M.ACI,
Consulting Structural Engineer
Maryland, USA
See my books at: www.multi-science.co.uk/subramanian-book.htm
www.oup.co.in/search_detail.php?id=144559
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There is another problem that may need to be considered in my opinion.
Welding of the anchor bolt which is already cast in will heat the anchor bolt. There is a risk of debonding with the concrete. If washer plates (or anchor plates) are used to resist uplift, this is not a problem. But if the bonding between the bolt and the concrete is being relied upon, can this be a potential problem?
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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:46 pm Post subject: RES: Re: Welding Anchor Bolts |
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Dear Mr. gsparsan,
Yes ,the anchor bolts have a square plate stiffened at the embedment end in order to form a concrete cone.
Thanks for your advice
jatfuentes
De: gsparsan [mailto:forum@sefindia.org]
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 12 de janeiro de 2009 09:22
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Assunto: [SEFI] Re: Welding Anchor Bolts
There is another problem that may need to be considered in my opinion.
Welding of the anchor bolt which is already cast in will heat the anchor bolt. There is a risk of debonding with the concrete. If washer plates (or anchor plates) are used to resist uplift, this is not a problem. But if the bonding between the bolt and the concrete is being relied upon, can this be a potential problem?
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